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madfloridian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-03-09 12:37 AM
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In their own words..some of the 12 Democrats who voted FOR the banks speak out.
Edited on Sun May-03-09 01:19 AM by madfloridian
And they say absolutely nothing. Nothing meaningful at all. There is nothing they can say that would ease the pain or the 2 million or so who could have been helped.

In Their Own Words: Why Dem Senators Screwed Homeowners

Earlier in the week, the measure's lead proponent, Sen. Dick Durbin (D-Ill.), concluded that banks "frankly own the place."

Of course, the 12 Democrats who voted "no" have a more charitable view of their own motivations. So we asked them what their reasoning was. In their own words, here is how (those we could find) explained their vote:

..."Byron Dorgan (D-N.D.): "A number of things. I thought the 31 percent is an arbitrary number. I think there are a whole lot of folks, are likely folks, out there who have little debt outside their home who could -- I just thought it was an arbitrary number and I didn't like the way it was constructed. Dorgan is referring to the percentage of a person's income that a judge could determine should be dedicated to paying the monthly mortgage. The figure is roughly in line with what financial analysts agree is appropriate.


More meaningless words from some the 12..the one they could find to speak.

Ben Nelson (D-Neb.): "I've not supported the cramdown for a variety of reasons, not the least of which is that I hate to see that authority to determine what the future contract is ceded to the court."

Tom Carper (D-Del.): "One of the reasons why usually mortgage rates are cheaper for primary homes is that the markets have the certainty that the judge won't be invited to come in and change the terms of the mortgage."


Any excuse is a good one when you screw your constituents.

Jon Tester (D-Mont.): "I just think a deal's a deal. I have a lot of empathy for folks who tend to get led astray, but I just think it's going to create some problems -- pretty obvious, actually. I don't have to list them. I'm generally opposed. I don't think it works well."

Mary Landrieu (D-La.): "My community bankers are really opposed to it and I think it's important for people to realize there is a big difference right now in the country between the health of these large international financial institutions and our local community banks...I think we gotta be careful about adopting processes and procedures that would really hurt our community banks.


And if their constituents vote for them again they will get the same stuff all over again. That's how it works. That old excuse of having to vote for near Republicans in conservative districts is BS....it is time to stop it.

Meteor Blades had diary about this at Daily Kos.

Getting worse before getting better...Senate and Specter fail to help

The Senate on Thursday handed a victory to the banking industry by defeating a Democratic proposal that would have given homeowners in financial trouble greater flexibility to renegotiate the terms of their mortgages.

The House of Representatives, meanwhile, overwhelmingly approved a bill backed by the Obama administration that would limit the ability of credit card companies to charge high fees and penalties. The bill, approved 357 to 70, still faces obstacles in the Senate, where — as the action on Thursday illustrated — the industry has more clout, particularly among Republicans and moderate Democrats. In recent days the White House, partly in response to polls showing the significant public disgust with high fees charged by credit card companies, has begun to work for its passage.

The mortgage provision garnered only 45 votes in the Senate, falling well short of the 60 votes necessary to break a threatened filibuster to a measure sponsored by Senator Richard Durbin, Democrat of Illinois, that would give bankruptcy judges greater flexibility to modify mortgages. In recent weeks, major banks and bank trade associations worked closely with Senate Republicans to beat the measure. Twelve Democrats joined all the Republicans in voting against the measure.


Here are the 12 Democratics who sold out to the banks rather than help those in great need. There is no excuse for this.

Baucus (D-MT)
Bennet (D-CO)
Byrd (D-WV)
Carper (D-DE)
Dorgan (D-ND)
Johnson (D-SD)
Landrieu (D-LA)
Lincoln (D-AR)
Nelson (D-NE)
Pryor (D-AR)
Specter (D-PA)
Tester (D-MT)


They have other goals than helping the 2 or so million about to face foreclosure.

They should answer for their vote.


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Why Syzygy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-03-09 01:31 AM
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1. Let me complete the sentence for
Byron Dorgan (D-N.D.): "A number of things. I thought the 31 percent is an arbitrary number. I think there are a whole lot of folks, are likely folks, out there who have little debt outside their home who could -- increase their personal debt load, pay the mortgage, and thereby enrich bankers many times more than an otherwise debt free homeowner.

Best Answer!:
Mary Landrieu (D-La.): "My community bankers are really opposed to it ...

This list shows most recent election results (to the best of my ability/please correct any errors if so inclined)
Incumbent only means they were not up for reelection, not that they hung onto their seat. Rearranged in state order.
http://www.npr.org/news/specials/election2008/2008-election-map.html#/senate?view=race08

Baucus (D-MT) 72%
Tester (D-MT) Incumbent
Bennet (D-CO) 52% (state change of party)
Byrd (D-WV) Incumbent
Carper (D-DE) Incumbent
Dorgan (D-ND) Incumbent
Johnson (D-SD) 62%
Landrieu (D-LA) 52%
Lincoln (D-AR) Incumbent
Pryor (D-AR) 79%
Nelson (D-NE) Incumbent
Specter (D-PA) Incumbent
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20score Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-03-09 01:43 AM
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2. K&R. Some of these senators disappoint me more than others. I expected more from Tester and Dorgan,.
Edited on Sun May-03-09 01:45 AM by 20score
To name two.

But, just like the bankruptcy bill of '05, they have betrayed the people they are supposed to represent.
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Joe Chi Minh Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-03-09 02:41 PM
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16. Dorgan! And him, one of the ones who voted against the repeal of Glass-Steagall, and.
whose warnings about this econonomic crisis were poo-hooed as empty alarmism. You'd have thought he would have been more sympathetic to the victims.
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madfloridian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-05-09 04:41 PM
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25. I would have thought so about Dorgan.
I really would have.
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DCKit Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-03-09 03:44 AM
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3. I just can't get over the fact that they just don't get it - neither the banks or the politicians.
People who need a cramdown are going to lose those homes, then NOBODY gets paid. I heard, this week, that some banks are actually going in and destroying new homes they can't sell for their asking price. That's just eeeeeevvvvvulllll.

WTF is so hard to understand here?
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surrealAmerican Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-03-09 10:06 AM
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8. You're right, of course.
The banks are not only not acting in the borrower's best interest (which you wouldn't expect them to), but they're not acting in their own best interest. It may not be evil, but it is incredibly, stupidly wasteful.
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Karenina Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-03-09 06:37 AM
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4. Here's who those Congress critters work for:
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tomp Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-03-09 09:05 AM
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5. hooray for arlen specter, he is so good for our party and wil vote democratic....
....blah, blah,blah.....! how's that supermajority working out?
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madfloridian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-03-09 11:30 AM
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9. The 60 votes mantra is really a joke.
We have the Conservadems who can stop any agenda.

Specter's switch is really not that much of a deal.
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tomp Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-04-09 06:06 PM
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22. it is a big deal in how it exposes the one party system!
imagine this scenario: 2008, specter has not switched parties, gop primary, arlen specter wins, democrats say vote for____________ (fill in centrist democrat of your choice) "because he's better than specter". the same guy they would have been telling us was no damn good, is now celebrated and supported by the party. it's ludicrous, bordering on insane.
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madfloridian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-05-09 01:01 PM
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24. I think your words...
about the one party system are spot on. It is getting to the point we need to be on real guard about that.
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tomp Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-05-09 06:26 PM
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26. yeah, but about 90% of this board will never be convinced of that.
it's like beating your head against the wall.
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many a good man Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-03-09 09:52 AM
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6. I loved Steve Meacham's response to the cramdown
If you missed Bill Moyers on PBS last Friday you missed a great segment on community organizer Steve Meacham, who is tackling the mortgage mess head on. See it here: http://www.pbs.org/moyers/journal/05012009/profile2.html#resources

He made the point that cramdowns are really in the best interests of banks (mortgage holders). He asked what is the best a bank could hope for after they foreclose on a home? Selling it for market value at current rates. So why not just renegotiate the loan at current rates and let the homeowner stay!?

Its good for the bank, good for the homeowner, good for the community. Why isn't it done? "Moral hazard." Good God! The shifty, greedy, lying bankers who got us into this mess are preaching to us about moral hazard?!

It disgusts me that a majority Democratic Congress allowed this legislation fail!
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rhett o rick Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-03-09 09:55 PM
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18. The "majority Democratic Congress" is a joke. The is a class war. And guess who's side those
12 DINO's are?
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rhett o rick Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-03-09 11:17 PM
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19. "Moral hazard". These homeowners were unlucky enough to be caught by a bursting bubble.
The bubble was created by the wealthy and their lapdogs in Congress. The wealthy class scraped of billions from the bubble and let the middle class eat it when the bubble collapses. Talk about Moral hazard.

Time to bring out the guillotines or at least end the life of the Senate.
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mmonk Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-03-09 10:01 AM
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7. Money talks, the people walk.
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madfloridian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-03-09 11:54 AM
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10. Jon Tester's words..."a deal is a deal"
Sound familiar...like it's a deal when it is the banks, but not really a deal when it is the automakers and unions who have a deal.

"Jon Tester (D-Mont.): "I just think a deal's a deal. I have a lot of empathy for folks who tend to get led astray, but I just think it's going to create some problems -- pretty obvious, actually. I don't have to list them. I'm generally opposed. I don't think it works well."

Empathy for folks who tend to get led astray?? What the hell does that mean?

It is not just a few folks who took the wrong mortgage, it is those who lost their jobs.

I am not at all impressed by his statement. It angers me.
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SOS Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-03-09 12:20 PM
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11. Mary Landrieu (D-La.):
"My bankers are opposed to it."

In a nutshell.
Honest.
She works for the banks, not the people.
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Toucano Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-03-09 11:29 PM
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21. Bingo.
Can't we come up with a primary challenger for her?

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FLAprogressive Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-03-09 12:33 PM
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12. Common thread between them all: Democratic Leadership Council
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Tierra_y_Libertad Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-03-09 12:45 PM
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13. Translation: "I know who gives me the biggest bribes..er..campaign contributions."
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Bluebear Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-03-09 01:18 PM
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14. 'empathy for folks who tend to get led astray'??? - Sen. Tester, please. nt
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SOS Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-03-09 02:30 PM
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15. He's probably talking about hedge fund managers
They are the only ones who get any empathy from our venal Senate.
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rhett o rick Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-03-09 09:44 PM
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17. Why didn't the President put a little pressure on them? nm
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madfloridian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-05-09 11:45 AM
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23. Must not be a priority.
:shrug:
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Toucano Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-03-09 11:28 PM
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20. Dorgan is flat out wrong. 30% of gross income has been a standard FOREVER!
I was taught that in Jr. High Economics.

At least Sen. Landrieu comes out and admits that the bankers are more important to her than the people. I truly don't see why she is a Democrat other than for fundraising purposes.
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