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spanone Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-03-09 09:25 AM
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why would a democrat vote for arlen specter
since his 'switch' he has continued to vote 'like' a republican.

so we're basically getting a republican senator with a 'd' next to his name.

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OmahaBlueDog Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-03-09 09:40 AM
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1. I can think of a couple of reasons
1. to avoid a younger, more strident, Santorum-like alternative
2. at Specter's age, you have to consider he may not finish his term, and, in the near term, Rendell would nominate the replacement
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spanone Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-03-09 09:43 AM
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3. if that were my reasons, i'd vote for a younger non-santorum-like democrat in the primary
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OmahaBlueDog Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-03-09 09:56 AM
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8. I suspect many will
.. but I suspect the DNC is going to back Specter
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spanone Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-03-09 09:57 AM
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9. yep, President Obama already said he will stump for him...
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thunder rising Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-03-09 09:45 AM
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5. So, we cannot lose by primarying him...Joe Sestak's up. I just donated $100
google him and let's get this party started.
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OmahaBlueDog Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-03-09 10:05 AM
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15. Sorry, as a non-Pennsylvanian, there are other non-Nebraska elections in which I'd rather invest
Edited on Sun May-03-09 10:08 AM by OmahaBlueDog
1) Trying to win Mel Martinez' seat in Florida, Kit Bond's seat in Missouri, Judd Gregg's seat in NH, or George Voinovich's seat in Ohio

2) The rumored defense of Barbara Boxer's seat against the Governator

3) Trying to keep Roland Burris's seat from falling to the GOP

On edit: If I were a Pennsylanian, I'd probably be on board with a primary challenge. As it stands, I look at the defection as a windfall that allows us to gain seats elsewhere.
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Freddie Stubbs Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-04-09 07:40 AM
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30. Unless Sestak loses the primary and his House seat goes GOP
He won the seat in 2006 largely because the GOP incumbent had corruption allegation, not over policy differences.
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Kingofalldems Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-04-09 08:08 AM
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31. Can you prove he won because of corruption?
:shrug:
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pnwmom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-03-09 09:41 AM
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2. It would depend on who his primary opponents were and how well they would
be estimated to do against the likely Rethug opponent.

If there is a strong, well financed and organized Democrat opposing him, great. We shall see.
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mmonk Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-03-09 09:45 AM
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4. The D word. People think it makes a difference instead of the
actual opinions of the person or candidate.
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thunder rising Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-03-09 09:46 AM
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6. So, if the Wingers put up Toomey ... we can put up a real Democrat ... I think we win.
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spanone Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-03-09 09:47 AM
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7. i would hope so, but i don't know pennsylvania politics very well
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Fire1 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-03-09 10:00 AM
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10. Diversity and the 'big' tent.
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Iggo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-03-09 10:00 AM
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11. Why would a Democrat vote for Lieberman?
And just so you don't feel like I'm Pennsylvania-bashing or Connecticut-bashing, I'll throw me and my fellow Californians under the bus, too: Why would more than half of the voters vote Yes on Prop 8?

And when you answer those questions, what have we gained?
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spanone Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-03-09 10:04 AM
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13. at least lieberman is an independent....i certainly wouldn't vote for him
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Vinca Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-03-09 10:01 AM
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12. I'm listening to him right now on Meet the Press and all I can say
is I hope Joe Sestak can beat him in the primary.
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stray cat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-03-09 10:05 AM
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14. Independents and moderate dems and those who support medical research
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JackRiddler Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-03-09 10:08 AM
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16. Indeed. And why do voters tolerate 7 terms for such obviously corrupt establishment barons?
It would be a consolation of sorts if a victorious challenger in the DEMOCRATIC primary unseated this gerontocratic mediocrity:

- whose 30 years in the Senate are distinguished by exactly no positive accomplishments and loyal service to money and to the political party most responsible for destroying this country (and the world);
- who now hops off the Titanic that he helped sink to see if nice suites are available on the other cruiser;
- who became a made man by helping to devise the absurd and insulting cover story for the murder of the president and the coup d'etat of November 1963.

Why do we tolerate these old, old men who have proven beyond any doubt what stuff they're made of?
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leftofthedial Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-03-09 10:12 AM
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17. Same reason we vote for most of the "democrats" in politics.
He'll have a "D" beside his name. The other guy will have an "R."

He could vote like Attila the Hun and you'd still have half of DU supporting him so that "we" will win.
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Red Knight Donating Member (346 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-03-09 10:17 AM
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18. He sucked on MTP
He won't support a public healthcare alternative to compete with private healthcare. His whole approach seems to be investment in the NIH and prevention to lower costs. yeah--that's a piece but it doesn't come close to giving the country what it needs.

No thanks.

Every time he opens his mouth it sounds like it's a wink-wink to the Republicans. He's like a mole being planted.

I want him challenged.

Nothing should be handed to him. Period.

And if Obama helps him and campaigns for him--he deserves what he gets from Specter. I assume it won't be much unless there's a solid deal in the works. Why wouldn't Obama use his political might to help a real Democrat win the election? If this is only payback for the stimulus vote it sucks. That isn't nearly enough.
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JVS Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-03-09 10:20 AM
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19. I never voted for him before and I have no intention of starting now unless I see some changes
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hileeopnyn8d Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-03-09 10:21 AM
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20. I don't know
but in Pennsylvania they've been doing it since 1980. That 1980 election is the closest a Democrat has come to defeating Specter.

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jody Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-03-09 10:37 AM
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21. Perhaps the same reason 52% of Independents & 9% of Republicans voted for Obama, they like his
platform better than his opponent, that's how politics works.

That's also why 10% of Democrats voted for McCain.
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spanone Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-03-09 10:41 AM
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22. but will democrats like specter's platform?
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jody Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-03-09 10:47 AM
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23. I don't know, I just responded to your OP question, "why would a democrat vote for arlen specter".
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TreasonousBastard Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-03-09 10:50 AM
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24. Because the other guy will be a Republican-- Duh! And...
that other guy will be a wingnut Republican who will get great support in that part of Pennsylvania that isn't Philadelphia.

Part of the deal with Specter is that Sestak's future may be in something besides politics if he mounts a primary challenge. It being a deathmatch now, you won't hear anything from Sestak until he talks to all the PA party leaders and sees if he has any local support. Just a guess, but I don't think he'll get much, with both Obama and Rendell behind Specter.

But, there is always the slim possibility of a major backstabbing when they get what they need from Specter and he outlives his usefulness. We don't know what Rendell is promising Sestak to get him to go away for now.

Treasonous the Backyard Pundit



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spanone Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-03-09 10:52 AM
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25. yes, but if specter offers nothing new, he's basically still a republican with democrats backing him
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TreasonousBastard Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-03-09 11:06 AM
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27. So what? He caucuses with us and votes with us more than...
some other Democrats. Life ain't fair or easy-- he's what we got and I'll take the half loaf.

If I did live in PA, I doubt I'd support a primary challenge and risk that other asshole calling Sestak a flaming liberal and winning by a hair. Anything to avoid a debacle like Connecticut where half the Democrats tossed Lieberman just to have him come back slugging in the general. No, Specter probably wouldn't run as an independfant and screw things up, but I still live in respect of the Law of Unintended
Consequences.

Treasonous the Unheroic

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NorthCarolina Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-03-09 11:04 AM
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26. Why would a Democrat vote for ANY
of these folks?

Bright, Bobby (D-AL-2),
Griffith, Parker (D-AL-5)
Davis, Artur (D-AL-7)
Ross, Mike (D-AR-4)
Donnelly, Joe (D-IN-2)
Ellsworth, Brad (D-IN-8)
Melancon, Charles (D-LA-3)
Peterson, Collin (D-MN-7)
Childers, Travis (D-MS-1)
Taylor, Gene (D-MS-4)
Shuler, Heath (D-NC-11)
Boren, Dan (D-OK-2)
Carney, Christopher (D-PA-10)
Davis, Lincoln (D-TN-4)
Gordon, Barton (D-TN-6)
Tanner, John (D-TN-8)

This is the list of *Dems* who stood with the GOP in opposition to H.R 1913. I repeat, why would any Democrat vote for any of them?
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emulatorloo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-03-09 04:56 PM
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28. Conservative Pennsylvania Democrats like him, that's why. EOM
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Honeycombe8 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-03-09 05:06 PM
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29. Don't you think the Dem Party made a deal with Specter?
It was Biden, a close friend of Specter's, who convinced him to make the change. And Obama blessed it, endorsed it.

I'm thinking....they've made a quid pro quo with Specter. He can't win the Repub Primary. If he switches, the Dems will support him, incl. the popular Obama-Biden team. In exchange...?????? There's always something in exchange.

I'm thinking...a vote on Obama's golden vision. The thing he ran on. The thing he envisions will be his legacy and will make a big change for the better for the average American. Healthcare reform. The Golden Goose.

That's what I think.
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