***** HEARING Senate Judiciary - Lawyers Who Approved TORTURE *****

[L. Coyote]

Subcmte. Examines Lawyers Who Approved Harsh Methods
Today - C-SPAN3 at 10 am (ET) - http://c-span.org/

A Senate Judiciary Subcmte. looks into the legal conduct of Justice Dept.
lawyers who approved harsh interrogation techniques. One of the witnesses,
FBI agent Ali Soufan, interrogated Guantanamo detainee Abu Zubaydah.

Watch Hearing on C-SPAN3 at 10 am (ET).

[pleah]

1. K&R

[Solly Mack]

2. K&R

[lamp_shade]

3. 6 more minutes. Thanks. Coffee is made.

[babylonsister]

4. Thanks! This is sure to be a doozy. nt

[Subdivisions]

5. Rec #5. Off to alert the wider board. n/t

[annabanana]

6. Senate Committee link:

http://judiciary.senate.gov/hearings/hearing.cfm?id=3842

[L. Coyote]

7. ACLU: Justice Dept. Memos on Techniques

Justice Department Office of the Inspector General Review of the FBI's Involvement in and Observations of Detainee Interrogations in Guantanamo Bay, Afghanistan and Iraq (5/20/2008)
http://www.aclu.org/safefree/torture/35402lgl20080520.html

The results of an internal Justice Department investigation released May 20, 2008 reveal that officials at the highest level of government – including the White House - received reports on the abuse of prisoners in U.S. military custody overseas as early as 2002. Congress called on the department's Office of the Inspector General (OIG) to conduct the investigation after documents made public through an American Civil Liberties Union Freedom of Information Act (FOIA) request revealed FBI agents at Guantánamo had raised concerns about methods used by military interrogators. Today's government report is the first to identify that then-national security advisor Condoleezza Rice received complaints of torture.

> Part 1 (pp. i-7) http://www.aclu.org/pdfs/safefree/OIG_052008_i_7.pdf

MORE ..........

[L. Coyote]

8. Cameras on now = Sen. Whitehouse chairs subcommittee. Gavel is pounded.

[Subdivisions]

9. Why isn't this on TV? I love it that Sen. Whitehouse is the Chairman. n/t

[L. Coyote]

10. I'm watching on television, C-SPAN 3. Whitehouse discussing lies and truth.

Bush lies .....

[Subdivisions]

12. My cable co. doesn't have it. :^(

[L. Coyote]

14. Streaming online link here: TV or Radio & select C-SPAN 3

http://c-span.org/Watch/C-SPAN_wm.aspx

[Subdivisions]

18. Thanks. Already have it up on 'puter. Just wish it was on my teevee so

I can work while I watch.

Thanks for starting this thread!

[L. Coyote]

11. Private contractors with profit motive tortured!!

This is a turning point in American history, the first TORTURE hearing!

[bobthedrummer]

13. Torture and then lies...

[Subdivisions]

15. Lots of lies and no accountability. n/t

[Solly Mack]

16. If he were to list all the lies he'd be there for months

[L. Coyote]

17. First of many heaings .... (and indictments, I hope).

[annabanana]

19. ooo . . I see one TWITCHY acting, ranking member. .

Lindsey is in the hot seat today..

[Subdivisions]

20. FUCK YOU GRAHAM! Fucking bastard! "Wanna have alot more

hearings about what happened in the past...blah...blah...blah..." Calling this hearing a political stunt.

[bdamomma]

77. it is CYA time for the repigs, and blaming everyone else

instead of themselves. 8 years these thugs were in power, boy, what short memories they have.

I hope Whitehouse pounds them.

[Solly Mack]

21. Someone smack Graham

[bobthedrummer]

26. Done!

[Solly Mack]

33. Thank you!

[L. Coyote]

22. Sen. Graham. "political stunt"

How soon can we defeat this Bush-bot?

[babylonsister]

23. This sucks that it's not on every damned channel.

If only to hear Lindsay Graham's weak-assed excuses for why this is all nonsense. :eyes:

Oh, and be very afraid! We could be attacked-today!!!!1!

[annabanana]

24. HEY GRAHAM.. IT DOESN'T MATTER IF "IT WORKED"

It's illegal. period.

And just because people got scared on 9/11 doesn't mean our entire judicial system should crumble.

[L. Coyote]

28. If a Republican did it, it is not a crime!

Remember Nixon!

[Hepburn]

32. Means to an end...that's OK for the POTUS to use to justify wrong doing?

...:eyes:

Excepting that the end was bullshit in this case, too.

Think about it, Lindsay ~~ what you are doing is justifying and excusing immoral and illegal bullshit.

:mad:

[CatWoman]

25. I'd really love to kick Lindsey Graham's ass

:grr:

[annabanana]

27. chickenshit weiner. . .

[Subdivisions]

29. I'll bet eventually we'll learn that he had alot to do with what happened. n/t

[Subdivisions]

36. delete wrong place. n/t

[Name removed]

31. Deleted message

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[malaise]

39. Graham plans to make it about Pelosi

Fuck him
GEM$NBC will be having coverage shortly. Showing Cheney again.

[NMMOM]

45. Can I help?

:banghead:

[lunatica]

61. He's kicking his own ass quite well. Everything he says now is on record

And it's part of history. The man officially condones and even defends torture... Let him scream to high heaven. The louder the better.

Never stand in the way of your enemy when they're destroying themselves.

[bdamomma]

83. I would too, and many more need kicks

[bdamomma]

85. oh, crap I can't anything no access to C Span or the Judiciary site

ready the highlights thanks you guys, will have to watch this tonite.

[Solly Mack]

30. Don't even claim everyone in America fell for the fear

because that's just bullshit. And claiming fear is justification for torture is bullshit. And claiming breaking the law is nothing more than a "policy" is bullshit.

Graham is spouting nothing but bullshit.

[Solly Mack]

34. I need longer waders...the shit is way too deep

[annabanana]

35. but but but but.. the Democrats knew allabout it. . .

[bobthedrummer]

She didn't enter whatever she knew into the Congressional Record

but what does that have to do with the OLC???

[L. Coyote]

37. Graham DOES NOT know "What did Pelosi know and when did she know it"

Funny that, they don't know but they sling the mud anyway!

[annabanana]

41. never stopped him from flapping his piehole. . .n/t

[L. Coyote]

53. What did the Rs know and when were they told the same exact things?

He forgot that there were Rs on the same committee getting the same briefing!

[Subdivisions]

38. Republican implemented torture but it's Pelosi's fault! n/t

[Solly Mack]

40. From good faith to purpose driven torture

Damn

[Solly Mack]

42. The Geneva Convention ALWAYS applied...Bush/Cheney broke the law!

[babylonsister]

43. Bygones. Per Graham, waterboarding is bad, but pffft! That's history,

so let's forget it. Sure. Right. WRONG.

[L. Coyote]

44. Graham: Geneva Conventions did not apply! If America Tortured, it is not a crime!

WOW! Up is down as usual in the R world.

[annabanana]

46. I see Russ Feingold is on the dais....n/t

[annabanana]

47. Leahey saying "don't construct strawmen here". .n/t

[L. Coyote]

48. After hearing Graham, America has more enemies wanting to bomb South Carolina

This puke has done more to harm America with his pie hole in a few minutes than a previous century of Dem actions!

[Solly Mack]

49. Any lawmaker that spouts that kind of bullshit should be charged as an accomplice

[Subdivisions]

50. Leahy: 'I would like to urge Sens. not to raise strawmen and pre-

dertermine the outcome of this hearing." in response to Graham.

[L. Coyote]

51. I have to run. Someone take the initiative to keep this going. Reply?

[Subdivisions]

52. We've got you covered, L. Have a good day. n/t

[L. Coyote]

54. Thanks. I'll read it all later.

[annabanana]

55. I'll try to make new threads as necessary. . n/t

[Subdivisions]

59. Hi anna, I've got second thread ready to post. Do you want me to

post it around 100 and you take it from there?

[annabanana]

60. okey dokey. .n/t

[Solly Mack]

56. I'm going to need shoes...Graham will speak again

[babylonsister]

57. Doncha mean hip waders? nt

[Solly Mack]

58. Oh no. They don't make waders long enough to keep his shit out

So I need shoes to throw

[babylonsister]

62. Ha! Gotcha! OT,

but what time is it there now? Inquiring minds...

:hi:

[Solly Mack]

63. I sure would hate for torture to be an explosive issue

[annabanana]

64. DiFi: #1 priority is "get the info".. Whitehouse offers plaudits. .n/t

[annabanana]

65. Feingold: Nothing indicates that torture was necessary or effective.

[Subdivisions]

70. I wish he had said that it was illegal. n/t

[bobthedrummer]

66. "one of the worst abuses of the past admin..."

[annabanana]

67. He's calling for further declassification... let it all out. .

[babylonsister]

68. Feingold calls it..."TORTURE". Good start. nt

[bobthedrummer]

69. Yes, it is necessary

[annabanana]

71. Whitehouse : It is inevitable that the time will come when an independent

commission will be necessary so the American People can make a proper determination.

[bobthedrummer]

72. COPPER GREEN wasn't ethical...

[annabanana]

73. Prof. Luban up.

Whitehouse trying to keep statements to 5 minutes.

[bobthedrummer]

74. "an ethical trainwreck..."

[kentuck]

75. Lawyers memos were an ethical trainwreck.

The first witness states.

[annabanana]

76. Lawyers MUST NOT tailor their advice to the wishes of their clients.. . n/t

[Subdivisions]

78. Torture memos fall way short of standards. WOW! n/t

[bobthedrummer]

79. Raping spouses and children to develop informant networks was done...

[annabanana]

80. Bybee said the CinC status allows pres to override criminal law. .

[Subdivisions]

81. Torture memos "twisted and distorted the law"! n/t

[Solly Mack]

82. They were written for a pre-determined outcome. They were written

to give the veneer of legality to breaking the law. They were written for a cover-up.

It wasn't "legal advice" - those memos were criminal. Written in concert with the wishes of the Bush/Cheney admin. The memo authors are accomplices to war crimes.

[REACTIVATED IN CT]

84. K&R

Listening on CSPAN radio at work - and cheering on the Dems. I hope CSPAN replays on the TV so I can watch tonight.

edited to add- I'm finally reading Jane Mayer's excellent book on this topic "The Dark Side" . I highly recommend it

[bdamomma]

93. yea me too, I can't get a thing.

thanks for the correspondents here, they have such a flair for reporting!!!

[annabanana]

86. When OLC lawyers offer secret opinion, the stakes are high.. The American

people deserve the highest possible ethical standards, and they did not get that.

[TheCoxwain]

87. Graham bouncing in his chair reminds me of ....

Is he channeling his inner Limbaugh?

[annabanana]

88. Temp. adjournment to go vote. . n/t

[annabanana]

89. THREAD # 2 UP

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=389&topic_id=5645531&mesg_id=5645531

[Subdivisions]

90. **** THREAD #2 HERE ---------------> ****

Since we're in a break I've gone ahead and posted the second thread for this hearing.

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=389x5645531

[napi21]

91. I'm impressed with Prof. David Luban! Not only because I agree

with his statements and conclusions, but because he did like every GOOD LAWYER, cite case law and rules of our land to prove his opinions.

[Subdivisions]

92. Agreed. n/t

[L. Coyote]

94. The video is available on C-SPAN. URL is now HERE:

The video is available on C-SPAN. URL is now HERE:
http://c-span.org/Watch/Media/2009/05/13/HP/R/18525/Subcmte+Questions+Lawyers+Who+Approved+Harsh+Methods.aspx

[L. Coyote]

95. Dont miss the KO and Maddow shows last nigt:

Keith: http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/3036677/

Rachel: http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/26315908/