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ddeclue Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-13-09 10:57 AM
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Dear Mitch Stewart of Organizing For America (OFA): I don't stand with Obama on healthcare.
because he is caving in to insurance companies.

I stand for either a universal single payer system or a national health service.

The only way to make REAL change and REAL improvement in health care is to show the insurance companies the door.

This is NOT the time for caving in in the name of "compromise", it is time to stand on principle - it's time to protect the American people, not the insurance companies.

Doug D.
Orlando, FL
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FLAprogressive Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-13-09 10:58 AM
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1. K&R
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Freddie Stubbs Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-13-09 10:59 AM
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2. He's not caving. He's keeping a campaign promise:
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ddeclue Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-13-09 11:05 AM
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3. Whatever, if so that just justifies my support of Edwards in the primary
who wasn't afraid to say the truth, that the only real solution is single payer.

Obama would never come clean on his stand on healthcare in the primaries. Caving in to the insurance companies is still caving in whether he promised he'd cave in to them during the primaries or not.

Doug D.
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Freddie Stubbs Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-13-09 11:18 AM
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6. Edwards? The truth?
:rofl:

His own campaign staff had a plan to sabotage his campaign because of his problems with the truth:

http://politics.theatlantic.com/2009/05/a_self-sabotage_plan_if_edwards_won_the_nomination.php
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ddeclue Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-13-09 11:21 AM
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8. Has nothing to do with where he stood on health care.
Only Edwards and Kucinich stood with the American people.

Doug D.
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Freddie Stubbs Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-13-09 11:30 AM
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9. Where he stood? What makes you believe that he was telling the truth about his plan on health care?
This guy was the biggest phony to come down the pike.
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ddeclue Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-13-09 11:35 AM
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10. Because it wasn't popular to say when you are raising money.
but he said it anyways.

The phony is the guy who won't take a clear stand.

Doug D.
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mikelgb Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-13-09 11:43 AM
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14. Are you saying we got stuck with one of the smaller phonies?
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ddeclue Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-13-09 11:45 AM
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15. you apparently got stuck with an iPhoney...
:rofl:
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mikelgb Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-13-09 01:37 PM
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19. don't have one yet
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avaistheone1 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-13-09 11:53 AM
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16. Yeah, is campaign promise to the health insurance industrial complex.
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T Wolf Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-13-09 11:09 AM
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4. Yeah, I got that email too. Told Mitch that the Dems would not get any support from me until they
enacted universal health CARE.

They still think that we are mindless bots who will just obey because Obama is not a repuke.
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DefenseLawyer Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-13-09 11:15 AM
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5. Here's a question:
Does Obama's "insurance reform" present a more likely transition to single payer/nationalized health care than keeping the current system and holding out until you can get exactly what you want? What is your assessment of the timeline for how soon we would get rid of the current system taking your all or nothing approach? I don't claim to have an answer, just asking the question.
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ddeclue Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-13-09 11:20 AM
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7. NO it definitely does NOT represent a MORE likely transistion.
The ONLY solution really is ALL or NOTHING.

We already have filibuster proof majority in the Senate, we own the Congress and the White House.

We SHOULD be getting EXACTLY what we want now not making excuses and we should be able to have it by JULY of 2009.

What this is is an attempt to pretend that they are changing things when in fact they are not -it's all a big show and once the media goes home and the people stop paying attention it's back to business as usual.

The only way to prevent that is to adopt single payer NOW while we have the majorities to do it and give the people time to fall in love with it before the 2010 elections roll around so that the GOP doesn't dare mess with it, like Social Security is protected now.

Doug D.
Oralndo, FL
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bonnieS Donating Member (215 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-13-09 11:35 AM
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11. I answered them, too
Good for you, Doug D. You are saying what I wrote back to them. I can't afford slower growth of cost. This is not change, let alone change I can believe in.

In addition, as I told Senator Menendez's aide, my insurance company, which I have/pay through a union, THAT I PAY--again--THAT I PAY-- denied me radiation when I had cancer ( I had to find a connection I knew personally) and took 5 weeks recently to OK an MRI while denying me the pain killer prescribed by my doctor. NONE of this is helped by leaving the profiteering companies there to decide what money they do not want to spend on getting any of us well.
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DefenseLawyer Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-13-09 11:40 AM
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12. You really think we have a majority in the Senate that supports single payer?
I have certainly seen no evidence of that. Assuming you are wrong about being able to pass single payer right now, it is better to try and fail and keep the current system?
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ddeclue Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-13-09 11:42 AM
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13. Yes we do - 60 Senators. I am not wrong and do not concede that point.
Edited on Wed May-13-09 11:43 AM by ddeclue
Prove me wrong by putting up single payer and actually working to pass it FIRST.

Try to pass single payer and IF it fails, ONLY THEN I would be open to lesser measures. Nothing would stop Obama from introducing them LATER but a guy with a 68% approval rating can pass anything he wants if he tries.

Nothing fails like NOT TRYING.

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quidam56 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-13-09 12:09 PM
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17. We need a Cure for Health Care,
See what is deemed, defended and supported as "the acceptable standards of health care" in East Tennessee and southwest Virginia, Profit Care comes ahead of Patient Care. http://www.wisecountyissues.com/?p=62
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janet118 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-13-09 12:09 PM
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18. I won't stand with him until I know where he's standing n/t
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Delphinus Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-13-09 02:16 PM
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20. Neither do I
but I couldn't find a way to send an email back to him.
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