We don't need no stinking photos!!!

[Javaman]

There seem to be two very distinct groups here on DU. Those of us who want the photos released and those who agree with the prez that this is not the time.

Those who want them released don't care what the outcome is as long as the truth be told.

The other side doesn't want them release because it will cause such a problem that it will derail all of Obama's plans.

Personally, I believe they should be released. Why? because as crappy as the economy is and as full as Obama's plate also is, releasing the photos, simply, is the right thing to do.

Some folks on here use the snarky remark of "this is change we can believe in" only to be followed by "yeah, there has been no change at all". These are the black and white issue people. It's either one or the other.

Frankly, I voted for Obama because Kucinich was no longer a Candidate and I will be hell bent if I was going to allow another moron repuke in the office. That being said, I fully believe that Obama is completely capable of dealing with this issue in an intelligent and logical matter.

Now, as far as the political winds that constantly blow through washington. Are we seeing blackmail at hand? If he releases them, will the established repukes and dems from that point forward stonewall him? more than likely so.

It translates to: no movement on any issue. A government in entropy. Fine. But the reality is: the people will wake up and be disgusted with the photos and demand action regardless of what these morons do or think. And that THAT is what they fear most.

It's never been about whether or not the American people can handle the information or the fall out, that's just what we are told "for our own good". It's about washington, and their inability to survive. Those involved won't be voted out, they will be thrown in prison.

We are being treated to the emotional, moral and ethical equivalent of a ponzi scam.

They try and sell us on the that we have change, but when we scream for change/accounting in the things that really matter, you know the ones, moral and ethical issues, they back off saying, "we can't handle the truth". No, congress bastards, YOU are the ones that can't handle the truth. Don't insult me. To quote Obama, "Let me be clear", it is YOU, congress, that will suffer the most at the released information, not us the people. You will have to own up to your colossal short comings as morally defunct human beings. You are the ones that will have to answer to the slings and arrows of the people who will demand of you accountability. So folks, please make no mistake, these photos not being released, is so not about we the people. It has everything to do with the career politicians who loath the concept of not living off the governments teat.

Thank you. I'm so tired of this bullshit.

[leftstreet]

1. Career Politicians shitting themselves: Priceless

K&R

[JonLP24]

2. As long as Cheney on his media tour is saying 'we didn't torture'

and Liz Cheney accusing Obama of 'siding with terrorists' because he may release the photos I say release them or give them to a special prosecutor. I don't need to see them but we do need the evidence to prosecute.

[texastoast]

13. Absolutely. We can prosecute the Dick's Dirty Dogs

with the public never seeing the photos. The judge can close and seal the proceedings and all evidence can be submitted in camera.

That is, if justice be done at all.

[underpants]

3. The O man's explanation made sense to me

plus some people here don't realize that keeping them down for a while will stir up more interest in them.

[Mz Pip]

4. I don't want to see them

That doesn't mean they shouldn't be release, but I personally don't want those images in my psyche.

I suspect that they are far more awful than we imagine and maybe that's why they are not being released. Whatever happens, though, there should be a full investigation and prosecutions all around for those who not just authorized the torture but participated in it.

But I don't want to see them.

[dgibby]

5. You might find this interesting. I know I did.

mocraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=389x5648585

[nutshell2002]

6. This is apparently not the right time

for the release of the photos, the repeal of DADT or a discussion of single payer health care. What the hey, the new puppy is just so darn cute, the president is eating a hamburger and Michelle is wearing a sweater from J. Crew!

[Echo In Light]

7. It'll never be "the right time," cause in America it's always the Right's time

You won't see any substantive legal outcome for war crimes ... too many PNAC skeletons in the closet

[mmonk]

8. You're welcome and thank you.

[Kahuna]

9. The first release of photos did provoke attacks on our troops. I agree

with the view that we shouldn't release them at a time when our president is attempting to repair all the damage done by bushco and the first release of torture photos. Pres. Obama is pragmatic. He will not fold to the left's demands for the poutrage of the day, no matter how valid their concerns. He will move pragmatically to do what he deems the best policy for long range results.

[Mari333]

10. there are attacks on our troops all the time

because our troops are occupying 2 countries FOR NO REASON.
there wouldnt be attacks on our troops if we got our troops OUT of there.
release the photos. maybe it will help get the troops home from both places faster .

[Kahuna]

17. You don't need to preach to me. I protested the invasion of Iraq

just like a lot of DUers did in 10 degree weather. Save your speech. One thing has nothing to do with the other.

[Mari333]

18. and if Bush didnt want the photos released?

how would you feel then?

[Kahuna]

20. You know what..People who have observed my presense KNOW

that I'm not prone to knee-jerk reactions. In fact, I even agreed with the surge. I think for myself. Sometimes you have to go along with things that you don't agree with for the greater good. I agree with Obama that it is not JUST to release photos that could endanger our troops just to embarrass bushco. C'mon.

[Mari333]

22. the surge

http://www.alternet.org/audits/139983/pipeline-istan%3A_everything_you_need_to_know_about_oil%2C_gas%2C_russia%2C_china%2C_iran%2C_afghanistan_and_obama/

[Kahuna]

23. Whatever, Like I said, I think for myself. nt

[dysfunctional press]

12. perhaps with good reason..?

the photos should be released, and if it escalates the attacks on the troops- they brought it on themselves, by committing the atrocities and/or putting up with those who did.

to the u.s. military i say: don't do the crime, if you can't do the time. man up and do the decent thing- for a change...you might even find that it feels good.

[Kahuna]

19. I have two nephews in Iraq and I can assure you that they have commited

atrocities against no one. They are the ones who would be at risk by antagonizing people, whom I agree have good cause to detest our presense.

[dysfunctional press]

24. they volunteered to be part of the community that's responsible.

therefore they share in that responsibility and whatever repercussions ensue from the actions, good or bad, of that community.

[Hissyspit]

15. Poutrage?

[Bluerthanblue]

11. are you sure it's 'congress' who will be hurt the most? is it not

very possible that the troops in Iraq, and Afghanistan won't become targets, or "americans" who are in the wrong place at the wrong time overseas? I believe the photos are going to become public before too long. They aren't going to be buried or disappear, if that were the case, we'd never have been given access to the memo's which are plenty of evidence to support opening a criminal investigation.

I don't think this has anything to do with the economy, DADT, the pandemic- healthcare- or any other pressing issue. I don't think this is the right time because of the fact that we are trying to exit Iraq, close Guantanamo, and resolve Afghanistan, as well as cope with Pakistan-

The photos are going to justifiably outrage people. And they WILL be made public. They aren't the issue really. What they document is the issue. And how we bring those responsible to justice, is the most important issue, imo.

I'm tired of the bullshit too. beyond tired.

:hi:

[Mike 03]

14. This isn't the DU I remember for the past seven years.

Since when do we want to conceal evidence of wrongdoing?

I'm not advocating publishing the photos in the Washington Post, but releasing them to a legal body that can decide how to prosecute the people involved in these crimes.

What is crazy about that?

[Hissyspit]

16. Weird, isn't it?

[Kahuna]

21. What do you mean, they can't be posted in the WaPo????

Isn't that what "we" want?
:sarcasm: because I agree with what you posted.