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dorkulon (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat May-16-09 01:12 PM Original message |
Isn't forcible sodomy worse than waterboarding? Because we did that too. Let the GOP defend that. |
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opihimoimoi (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat May-16-09 01:15 PM Response to Original message |
1. Some of them Right Wingers love that Shit...ask Larry.....Dave, and Cheney |
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madmom (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat May-16-09 01:17 PM Response to Original message |
2. Don't count on it. Think a moment ( and I by no means want to imply any |
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donco6 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun May-17-09 11:56 AM Response to Reply #2 |
22. They'd just be equating rape with sex, and we've already . . . |
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dorkulon (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun May-17-09 12:03 PM Response to Reply #22 |
24. The whole point would be to elicit such idiotic statements. |
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donco6 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun May-17-09 12:06 PM Response to Reply #24 |
25. It's worked before. |
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dorkulon (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun May-17-09 12:12 PM Response to Reply #25 |
26. Yikes. It's a good example of what I'm hoping for though. |
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indepat (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat May-16-09 01:22 PM Response to Original message |
3. The GOP will defend anything a 'puke president does, no matter how illegal, unconstitutional, |
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dorkulon (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat May-16-09 01:26 PM Response to Reply #3 |
4. So let's make them do it. |
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jwirr (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat May-16-09 01:29 PM Response to Reply #4 |
5. And remember Hersh is saying it was done to children. Forcible |
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MiaCulpa (741 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat May-16-09 02:24 PM Response to Reply #5 |
11. Link to Hersch video here |
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indepat (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat May-16-09 05:46 PM Response to Reply #11 |
14. Let me repeat: absolutely anything done at the behest of a 'puke president is |
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dorkulon (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun May-17-09 11:58 AM Response to Reply #14 |
23. And let me repeat: Let's make them defend it. |
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Kaleko (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat May-16-09 02:25 PM Response to Reply #5 |
12. Exactly. That's how we need to frame the debate. |
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dorkulon (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat May-16-09 02:38 PM Response to Reply #5 |
13. My only problem with that is |
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Jennicut (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun May-17-09 04:30 PM Response to Reply #13 |
41. Wikipedia says that Hersh said his statements regarding this were misconstrued |
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dorkulon (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun May-17-09 04:33 PM Response to Reply #41 |
43. Thanks for that info |
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Jennicut (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun May-17-09 05:27 PM Response to Reply #43 |
45. Yeah, it seems like it never fully panned out. |
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ColbertWatcher (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat May-16-09 01:32 PM Response to Original message |
6. Good point. So, instead of calling it sodomy, we should call it anal rape. n/t |
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lunatica (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun May-17-09 12:18 PM Response to Reply #6 |
27. the way the Republicans make up crap they'll say it's common in our jails |
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dorkulon (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun May-17-09 12:19 PM Response to Reply #27 |
28. There's a difference between prisoners raping prisoners and US interrogators doing it at the behest |
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lunatica (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun May-17-09 01:29 PM Response to Reply #28 |
32. I know that... |
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notesdev (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon May-18-09 02:05 AM Response to Reply #28 |
46. Not much of one |
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dorkulon (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon May-18-09 02:21 PM Response to Reply #46 |
48. Well I'm not trying to minimize the horror of either scenario |
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noamnety (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat May-16-09 01:36 PM Response to Original message |
7. This is why the admininstration is covering up the photos. |
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dorkulon (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat May-16-09 01:41 PM Response to Reply #7 |
8. But sodomy is already documented in the Taguba report and ACLU-obtained documents |
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noamnety (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat May-16-09 01:46 PM Response to Reply #8 |
9. Nope, not the same. |
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dorkulon (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat May-16-09 01:51 PM Response to Reply #9 |
10. Not that I'm against releasing the photos--I think we should--but |
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jwirr (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat May-16-09 08:14 PM Response to Reply #9 |
15. This horrible picture is what ended the Vietnam War. I sat here looking |
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lunatica (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun May-17-09 01:40 PM Response to Reply #15 |
37. Actually the photo is taken from a much more shocking video |
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jwirr (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun May-17-09 03:52 PM Response to Reply #37 |
39. Yes, but that single picture was on national news and was an immediate |
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The Wizard (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon May-18-09 02:50 PM Response to Reply #37 |
50. I believe |
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mindwalker_i (836 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat May-16-09 11:01 PM Response to Original message |
16. Hey as long as we didn't force them to get married |
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notesdev (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun May-17-09 07:10 AM Response to Original message |
17. For a moment ... |
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dorkulon (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun May-17-09 11:44 AM Response to Reply #17 |
18. Certainly one of the overlooked issues in ll of this is that we routinely torture American prisoners |
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rcrush (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun May-17-09 11:53 AM Response to Original message |
19. Any investigation, truth commission, prosecution will be pure theatre. |
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dorkulon (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun May-17-09 11:54 AM Response to Reply #19 |
20. Maybe--but why? |
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rcrush (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun May-17-09 11:55 AM Response to Reply #20 |
21. Their owners wont let them. |
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OneGrassRoot (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun May-17-09 12:23 PM Response to Original message |
29. Another "perspective" that we tend to forget..... |
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dorkulon (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun May-17-09 12:25 PM Response to Reply #29 |
30. OF course, it's a foregone conclusion that at least some of the prioners are not guilty. |
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HooptieWagon (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun May-17-09 12:26 PM Response to Original message |
31. GOP - The pro-Torture and forcible-Sodomy party. n/t |
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DU GrovelBot (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun May-17-09 01:29 PM Response to Original message |
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spanone (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun May-17-09 01:32 PM Response to Original message |
34. trust me, they will. |
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dorkulon (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun May-17-09 04:34 PM Response to Reply #34 |
44. Thats just what I'm hoping for. |
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RagAss (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun May-17-09 01:32 PM Response to Original message |
35. Did they send Catholic priests to do this deed ??????? |
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Joanne98 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun May-17-09 01:35 PM Response to Original message |
36. But but sodomy during a time of war is a Christian act. It saz so in the Bible! |
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PurityOfEssence (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun May-17-09 02:27 PM Response to Original message |
38. No. Forcible sodomy doesn't make the victim fear imminent death |
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dorkulon (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun May-17-09 04:31 PM Response to Reply #38 |
42. I think from a PR perspective that it would be signifigantly harder for |
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Touchdown (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun May-17-09 04:03 PM Response to Original message |
40. Forced sodomy makes heroes, consensual sodomy beaks down unit morale. |
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bridgit (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon May-18-09 02:38 AM Response to Original message |
47. Without having to go anywhere near the pains and psychic disruptions; torture... |
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The Wizard (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon May-18-09 02:43 PM Response to Original message |
49. The righrt wing will defend ass rape |
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