Aaaaaaaargh! What next??

[Jackpine Radical]

OK, universal health care seems to be off the table,

along with torture prosecutions,

closing Gitmo,

granting justice to Siegelman,

granting an ear to Sibel Edmonds & Valerie Plame,

ending our discretionary foreign wars,

reducing the military budget,

nominating an actual liberal to the Supreme Court,

imposing actual regulations on the banking industry...

<<-add your own list items here->>

THINGS SURE ARE BETTER SINCE WE ELECTED THAT COMMIE PINKO LIBERAL DEMOCRAT, EH?

[Mz Pip]

1. Yes, they are better n/t

[Mz Pip]

2. Delete

[Mari333]

3. TARP, Telecommunications Immunity (FISA)

DADT ignored...the list goes on and on.

[MineralMan]

4. When you have little to say, say it loud and in red, eh?

Did you really think that electing Obama was going to instantly change everything? Really?

Our progress is one of increments. Thus has it always been. Thus it will remain. Come back in 8 years and we'll talk.

[Wednesdays]

15. Damn that Reagan...here it's May 21, 1981 and

he hasn't done diddly-squat for conservatives. No conservative supreme court justices, no Economic Recovery Tax Act, and he just got himself shot. Big whoop. He hasn't even done anything about those air traffic controllers yet.

[Tangerine LaBamba]

5. Yeah, these past four months

haven't fixed everything that's been going downhill for the past eight - or twenty - years.

Better get out the great big red letters so that it looks like we're making sense.......

[Jennicut]

6. Closing Gitmo is not off the table or are you just so uniformed?

Please read Gibb's statements on this.
Universal health care IS on the table, but Obama never ever talked about single payer during the election.
The military budget is being changed immensely. A bunch of contracts are being canceled to make things we no longer need.
Sigh. I don't mind arguments, just not arguments without fact.

[cascadiance]

12. "Universal Health Care" is analagous to torture being called "enhanced interogation techniques"...

It still underneath the covers is not something this government should be doing. We need to take the insurance companies OUT of the picture and put in place real single payer health care the way every other civilized government with MORE democratic rule than we do have been doing successfully! You have to REMOVE the cancer from the system, not just treat symptoms or coverup the root cause of the problem!

[Jackpine Radical]

21. No foolin'.

[Winterblues]

7. Removing troops from Iraq

"Beginning on Day One" my ass. "One Brigade a Month" would now be four Brigades gone from Iraq but Noooooo... Not a single Brigade has left.

[Mari333]

8. maybe he thinks we forgot that. nt

[Maat]

9. add 'ending preventative detention schemes' ...

Obama proposed one in his latest speech. The concept of preventative detention schemes (detaining someone BEFORE there's been probable cause to believe a crime has been committed) is SO anti-American I have a hard time expressing it. It's just sickening.

[Just Visiting]

10. The hardest thing for an ideologue to come to grips with

is the fact that he or she has been lied to.

Repeatedly.

The truth is always brushed aside in favor of the hypothetical "maybe down the road."

It's as if someone is painting one corner of a house green, but you gave him the job because you were sure it would get painted blue. There is hope that it will be, since only the corner is green.

Please disregard the 25 gallons of green paint in the garage.

You probably can't do it, but zealots can.

They HAVE to - they can't bear to admit they've been led astray.

[Maat]

13. Well-put.

Some of voted for Obama, in very faint hopes that he would end the constitutional abominations, but mostly so that Palin would never be near the nuclear football. I can now see that he will not end these monstrosities. For Pete's sake, he spoke of implementing a preventative detention scheme today - with a straight face.

[Just Visiting]

16. Yes, but if and when these detainees ever get out

their cars will get much better mileage.

For the zealot - any port in a storm. :)

[leftstreet]

17. (omg that's funny)

Yes, but if and when these detainees ever get out their cars will get much better mileage

:spray:

Welcome to DU!

[Maat]

18. HeeHee.

:)

[tavalon]

39. I'm a wide eyed idealist but I guess I'm not an ideologue

because I'm damn nervous about the trend. I'm not looking for another pragmatic Clinton. I know it's sacrilege to say anything negative about the big dog but he was no friend to the left liberal. And Obama is now looking a lot like a black version of same. I know it's early but I'm getting nervous. Until last week, not so much but these last few days have been very concerning.

[Jackpine Radical]

41. That's pretty much what triggered my post.

That sense of...Hey, waittaminnit, what's going on here?

And yes, of course I'd vote for Obama again over McNutso. I would also rethink some of the specific items on my list such as the reference to Gitmo, but would add the military tribunal business.

[SammyWinstonJack]

42. Eyes wide shut.

:thumbsup:

[bahrbearian]

11. On the Bright side ,Ted Stevens dosen't have to serve time.

[glinda]

14. They are better but need to get more progressives in office.

[uppityperson]

19. Yes, they are better. My goal was to slow down the deterioration

My hope was to improve things, but slowing it all down helps. I knew there would not be enough done, but yes, things are better.

[rvablue]

20. WOW!!! You know who is being nominated to the SCOTUS. Please share it with us!

You must have some amazing abilities to see into the future.

There must be more things you can tell us about the next 3.5 years.

Cough it up!

[MineralMan]

22. We're all doomed!

Nothing will happen during Obama's administration, doncha see? If it hasn't happened in four months, it's all over with. Now, I don't know how to make big red letters, so I can't put the proper emphasis on my words to make them more important, but you get the idea. :sarcasm:

[county worker]

24. The question should be asked in 2012, are you better off than you were in 2008.

My guess is that most here will say yes. I hope they have enough cheese to go with their whine.

[tkmorris]

38. It would virtually impossible to NOT be better off in 2012

If that's your standard you'll be happy as a clam. Some of us want a bit more.

[tavalon]

40. I'm not particularly concerned about what hasn't happened

I'm concerned about what has.

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[cali]

27. welcome to DU

and yes, I think there are significant changes I don't have to look very far to find reasons as to why, from foreign relations to the Ledbetter Act to the Hate Crimes Act to a committment to close Gitmo. Those things may be insignificant to you, but to millions of people, that's not the case.

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[cali]

32. nope. Congress nixed it until there's an actual plan to vote

on and some strong pro-closure people voted that way. Furthermore he signed the order and has reiterated his committment to closing it.

Enjoy your newest stay here.

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[uppityperson]

36. You do know we can search posts, right?

[Robbien]

25. my favorite

Obama and Cheney

The two do agree that a "truth commission" is an option that should not be pursued, a move that could irk those on the left who want the Obama administration to investigate Bush administration officials for their actions.

"Nothing will contribute more to that than an extended re-litigation of the last eight years," Obama said. "Already, we have seen how that kind of effort only leads those in Washington to different sides laying blame, and can distract us from focusing our time, our effort and our politics on the challenges of the future."

http://thehill.com/leading-the-news/obama-elevates-cheney-in-torture-debate-2009-05-21.html

Prosecuting criminals is a distraction.

[cali]

26. why the faux surprise.

single payer was never on the table. Neither was prosecution of bushco. Obama has reiterated his committment to closeing Gitmo within the year and signed an executive order to do so. The Siegelman case? We'll have to wait and see. Don't know whether he's lending an ear to Edmonds or if he plans on doing so. He never said he'd end Afghanistan. He did say he'd bring Iraq to a close, but he gave a time frame that we haven't come close to reaching yet. He hasn't even announced his SC pick and you're registering dissatisfaction with his non-choice.

Look, be as angry as you want at Obama not being what you want, but don't pull this disingenuous line.

And, yes, in many respect you bet your outraged ass that things are better.

[Just Visiting]

30. What exactly IS on the table??

Or is that table waaaaayyyyyyy off in the distance and we're just so hell-bent on destroying Obama that we just can't see it?

Could that be it?

Or perhaps it's a virtual table, and we can put whatever we think we see on it, then not be too upset when it disappears, as it never really was there to begin with.


We on the actual real-live left just aren't prescient enough, huh?





Can't wait for those new MPG numbers to come out.

[MineralMan]

33. Well, having so little experience with your positions,

it's hard to tell what you're about. But your concern is duly noted.

[SammyWinstonJack]

43. You forgot to offer him a pony while duly noting his concern.

:eyes:

[MineralMan]

31. History can never be judged as it is happening...

Now we have folks predicting the next four years, based on almost zero input. President Obama is not King of America. Rather, he has to work through resistance in Congress, the military, and even, it seems among those who supported his election.

Politics in a republic are never simple, and change is slow to occur. There are no shortcuts. But, you can't press every controversial issue at the same time. You'll just meet with obstinacy, and sometimes even from those of your own party.

President Obama came to office with one problem he could not have predicted when he began his campaign, and it's a huge, difficult economic problem. Without some sort of progress in that area, everything else is stalled. For most of us, the economic situation has taken first place in our concerns, and certainly it has for Obama.

But...we all have our hot issues. For some it's DADT. For others it's prosecuting the previous administration for war crimes. Then there's closing down the disgusting imperialist war in Iraq. For others, it's something else.

All are in process, but none have the immediacy of getting people back to work. Until that happens, we are, as a nation, seriously distracted.

So, posts on DU in big red letters are just that...posts on DU. Nothing more.

[dionysus]

28. wow, you sure seem angry

[MineralMan]

34. That's what I was thinking...

Then I consider the alternative to having President Obama in office. Probably things would not be better, given that alternative, doncha think? That's why this constant and strident naysaying about Obama so annoys me.

Did anyone really expect all of this country's problems to be solved in the first 4 months? Really?

[dionysus]

37. apparently so, at least on DU.