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Liberal In Texas Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-21-09 06:38 PM
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The DTV changeover: Recieving off-the-air DTV. Some informal field observations about the equipment.
Let me preface this by saying that I don't watch that much TV. We don't have cable or satellite. I can't see paying as much as $100/mo. for something we don't use much. But when I want to watch PBS or the news, HD is great. Other than that, we do watch movies on DVD and the 16x9 format is much more conducive for that.

I spent over 30 years in broadcast TV and still work producing video. (Which may be why I don't find watching TV as entertaining as most people.) So, when someone wants their new converter box hooked up, guess who they call? The following are some opinions gleaned from fairly recent experience.

Not all converter boxes are created equal.

After setting up different brands I have come to the conclusion that your success with over-the-air reception depends on the quality of the converter box you have, even more so than antenna type and placement. There is scant information out there in the form of reviews found via the Google. Many reviews give you their take on sound and picture quality and the kind of hook-ups a box has, but I have yet to see one on how good the box does in actually receiving the signal.

One box I set up looked OK initially. But after watching for awhile, every few minutes the signal would glitch causing a drop out in the picture and sound. Usually this started with the picture tearing with those digital boxes and then a freeze up of the video and audio drop out. Then everything would return to normal without messing with the antenna. Very annoying.

The box that worked best, ironically was the cheapest. The store I bought it from had it on sale for about $40 and with the government coupon it was almost free. This one was the Channel Master CM7000. It has a metal case, not plastic and is made in Eastern Europe, not China. That said, the first one I pulled out of the box didn't work at all and I had to return it to the store for an exchange. The second one worked as it was supposed to.
http://4.bp.blogspot.com/_mZutwMuIFVc/SX9sixfLIoI/AAAAAAAAAY8/uG1VDVzZ7pw/s320/Channel+Master+CM7000.jpg

The other boxes I have purchased were the Apex and AirLink, both of which seem to have weak tuner reception.

For several years, I also have had a Humax box which is a DTV receiver with an HD output (not a down converter) I used on for an older HDTV as it didn't have an internal digital tuner, only analog. It also had dicey off-air reception capabilities. Changing channels meant changing the antenna position, sometimes to a different part of the room. Again, annoying.

I don't know of any good way of determining what box is best other than trial and error. Asking friends how theirs work or electronic store employees could be helpful if they're somewhat savvy about these things.

An antenna is an antenna is an antenna.

Basically, any antenna should work fine with the DTV converter boxes. Powered antennas might be a little better, but I have gotten good reception from non-powered rabbit ears. As with standard definition (SD) analog broadcast signals, your proximity to the towers and obstacles such as buildings or mountains will affect reception. Attic or outside antennas will improve reception over downstairs inside antennas. Also, the "more antenna" you have (like a bigger one) the better chance for uninterrupted reception. Don't be fooled by advertising hype that says that you'll need to buy a special HD or DTV antenna. It's just not so.

Digital is on-off-on-off so you either have the signal or you don't -- for the most part. There are no ghosts or snow like with analog. Marginal digital signals will give you an in and out pixeling and freezing and cause you to keep adjusting the antenna.

Here's an interesting little blog about making a large DIY antenna for the attic:
http://uhfhdtvantenna.blogspot.com/

Unfortunately, the best results I get for receiving DTV is from the internal tuner on a new TV.

I now have two HDTVs with internal tuners. A Sharp and a Samsung. With rabbit ears I get great reception. It seems the tuners in the TVs themselves are "stronger" than the converter boxes. On the newest one, I get all the local stations here with rabbit ears that I set once and haven't had to readjust as I change to a different channel. My guess is that TV manufacturers are probably putting in better electronics than what's being produced in the external converter boxes.

The big advantage, of course, is that your new TV will be giving you an HD picture instead of SD.

Of course, the big disadvantage is you have to go out and fork out money for something new when your old TV seems to be working just fine. The prices are coming down and will continue to, but it still is a significant hit to the bank account for most of us in these uncertain econominc times.


One last thing. All the digital tuners (external and internal) I have come in contact with require that you plug it all in, set up an antenna, and then scan the spectrum before it will receive anything. If one or two stations aren't recognized because the antenna isn't in the right place, they won't be recognized and you have to keep re-scanning after changing the antenna around by trail and error. If say, channel 4 didn't get recognized on the scan, you can't just add channel 4 via the menu without re-scanning. If you finally get channel 4, you may find channel 11 didn't get recognized. This is a real PIA.

These are just some opinions I came to from working with this stuff, your experience may be different, but I hope it may help some before they shut off the analog next month for good.

-L

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Howardx Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-21-09 06:47 PM
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1. once we got our antenna dialed in...
it worked great, reception stays in the "excellent" range
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Liberal In Texas Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-21-09 06:50 PM
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2. What brand of box do you have? n/t
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Howardx Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-21-09 07:21 PM
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6. apex
2 of them
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BeFree Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-21-09 07:04 PM
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4. Well
I always wanted to shoot a bullet thru a TV, looks like I'll have a damn good reason to, eh?
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hwmnbn Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-21-09 07:00 PM
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3. Thanks for the info...
I haven't switched over yet, it's good to know about your experience.
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wuvuj Donating Member (874 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-21-09 07:18 PM
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5. I have the Radio Shack version...
...(Digital Stream). I'm in a fringe area and can get 8-10 stations in winter...much less in the summer when the trees leaf out. Can't get PBS worth a damn. Network TV more or less sucks...and I won't pay for cable or dish.

I am SO SICK of all the hype and crap about it. Looks like "they" are afraid SOMEONE'S going to miss out on their indoctrination? Always going to be a few sheep who don't dance with the fools?

If they'd put this much effort into making sure everyone voted and had valid info to vote around...maybe we'd actually have a democracy? No profits in that? Some profits in black box voting machines though. :puke:
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elocs Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-21-09 08:17 PM
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7. I have 2 Zenith converter boxes that I got last Fall that work just fine.
I have been ready for HD though for years and I have 2 HD receivers. I use the converter for an old 19" in the bedroom. Cable companies are still spreading misinformation about the digital switch. I was talking with a Charter CSR about a problem with my computer cable and she started telling me how I would not be getting any tv channels after the switch unless I had cable. I tried to explain that I have been ready for years, but she was just clueless. I have gotten beautiful high definition tv over the air for years now for free. Back when I had cable and satellite it was like the Springsteen song "57 Channels and Nothing's On".
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Liberal In Texas Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-22-09 06:38 AM
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8. Did some googling on the Zenith, looks like a pretty good box.
It seems to have good fringe signal interception hanging in with no drop outs when other boxes did.

The only downside I can see is that it does not have S-video out. NBD for most people.

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Fumesucker Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-22-09 07:22 AM
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11. I have set up a couple of the Zenith boxes for people.
The Zeniths seem to work quite well, both of them I've set up picked up a large number of local stations including ones I didn't know were there.

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Dappleganger Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-22-09 06:55 AM
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9. Great info!
We haven't used our coupons yet but it's probably time to get the tuners. We still have satellite tv (Direct) but may have to turn it off soon and this will be the first time we've not had any sub to dish or cable since the kids were babies. We find ourselves watching whatever we need on the internet more and more (thanks to hulu!) so this may finally help us take that final step. We still have a good antenna from when we first experimented with HD signals so at least we won't have to buy that again.
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Liberal In Texas Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-22-09 07:16 AM
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10. I have a friend with sat TV (in another city) and they just bought a HDTV. They got the HD
service on sat for their new TV and besides having to pay for a new HD box, their monthly rate went up from $60 something per month to about $90 something. They went back to SD.

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