So where are all the economic stimulus jobs?

[undeterred]

Does anyone know of anyone who is back to work as a result of the stimulus bill?

[leftstreet]

1. They're coming: 10 million Medical Claims Denial Specialists n/t

[undeterred]

6. ...

:rofl: you made me laugh!

[girl gone mad]

33. touche.

[Greyhound]

36. Two yucks for that one.

:rofl::thumbsup::rofl:

[BuyingThyme]

2. Jobs are not really the stimulus.

The anticipation of jobs is the real stimulus.

Pass it on.

[Deja Q]

3. How much time is deemed 'too soon'?

[Double T]

4. China, India and Asia.

There will be no jobs for Americans. It's called a jobless recovery where the rich recover at the expense of our former American jobs.

[OhioChick]

8. Bingo! n/t

[undeterred]

9. What are the rich "recovering" from?

The exhaustion of spending money...

[Double T]

15. recovering from being less rich to more rich.

Hording all the wealth is hard work.

[Tierra_y_Libertad]

16. China and India are rebulilding their economies by building infrastructure rather than banks.

China, in particular, has a lot of unspent dollars they're spending on real stuff like infrastructure, oil and mineral rights around the world, before the dollar collapses.

[truedelphi]

19. Well Hello Feudalism, Yes Hello Feudalism (To the tune of "Hello Dolly!"

It's so nice to have you back where you belong!

You are looking swell Feudalism, I can tell Feudalism,
We'll be working in sweatshops all night and day long.

I find that room swaying
For more food stamps I am praying
(So I can eat a meal or two) like way back when...

So take a Wrap, Fellas,
Tell me about the gap - Fellas
As the dirty poor and the filthy rich will never
Ever mee-eet again!

[Double T]

25. You can call it whatever you want.

It's real. It's empty. It is here to stay.

[Tierra_y_Libertad]

5. All that has to happen is for people to start buying lots of stuff, on credit, agian.

Of course, that's exactly what caused the recession which means that the people are too broke to buy a bunch of stuff.

[undeterred]

7. Remind me where I can get the credit to buy the stuff

and the high paying job to pay the credit card bills.

[Tierra_y_Libertad]

17. The same place you can get a job and the pie-in-the-sky they're selling.

[sandnsea]

10. I know that's a right wing talking point

all over Fox News.

[undeterred]

12. Score one for the right wing.

:shrug:

[Mike 03]

11. Nobody. My best male friend was just let go from the PD here, and he was the

most experienced homicide investigator on the force.

He's not even 50 and he considers himself retired.

[undeterred]

14. Inexperience is the new 'work experience'

At least that's how the job market is working out.

[undeterred]

21. So now he can be a security guard for $9 an hour

part time while the less experienced police work the homicide cases. Everybody loses.

[Greyhound]

38. Not everybody. We've poured so much money into the "financial markets" that

even the mid-level parasites are back in the black.

It's like the "Democrats" are afraid that the Republiks would never win another election...

[truedelphi]

47. You do have to wonder whose side the Democrats are on. n/t

[rosesaylavee]

13. Many of the jobs are in construction...

so if you know anyone who does construction, I would ask them. Also, the deal with the stim projects is that they had to start within 90-120 days of approval. I don't think we have hit that deadline yet.

[bertman]

20. We have a couple of high-rise complexes going up around here. They are doing their

part to keep the "undocumented" immigrant population fully employed. Most of those guys are H1D workers though.

[rosesaylavee]

22. Sorry to hear that.

Maybe drop a word in the local union's ear about it?

[bertman]

23. This is North Carolina. Not much union clout here. Sorry to say.

[rosesaylavee]

24. And I know from my work that there is A LOT of construction

happening there. More so than most of the states in SE part of the country. If they don't have unions, do they at least have prevailing wage?

[bertman]

28. I can't speak to that because I'm on the residential side of the industry.

[Greyhound]

39. Did you forget the sarcasm tag? n/t

[rosesaylavee]

48. Not sure what you mean...

I am sorry to hear the unions are not strong there. Especially as NC is probably the busiest state I know of for the commercial construction industry. This was news to me.

[Greyhound]

53. Just that even where unions do still exist they just don't/won't/can't do anything about anything.nt

[rosesaylavee]

58. I am sorry that has been your experience.

[MissB]

18. Our state just finished the process of awarding some stimulus money.

The overriding criteria seemed to be shovel-ready projects. So it took time to award the money because cities had to apply, evaluations and due diligence had to take place. Most of the projects have to start by Feb 2010.

But it is many millions for the cities. They have to pay prevailing wages and buy American products for their projects. And not just "assembled" in the US products.

Slow but it is progress.

[cagesoulman]

26. Give it fucking time!

It's gonna take some time to start shit up. For the green jobs, a lot of the industry actually has to be built first. For other stuff, you need some start up time. Obama's only been in office for 4 months and the stimulus has been out there only for half that time. Bureaucracies take time to get the checks out there.

[undeterred]

27. People gotta eat and find shelter tonight.

[cagesoulman]

30. I know. I know.

Fuck, just fuck.

:grr:

[ecstatic]

31. Sadly, it may be dependent on how effective your Governor is

And I know my governor is a tool, so I don't expect him to distribute the money wisely.

[undeterred]

32. I've heard there will be transportation projects in my state

and even though that might mean mostly construction jobs (which does nothing for me), that's still a good thing. But its almost June and construction weather is NOW.

[Horse with no Name]

43. Our Governor is using the money to put an $22 million roof on his mansion.

None other than Rick "secession" Perry.

[OhioChick]

34. Ummmm.....Guess you didn't get the memo about those "green jobs"

US offshores 22,000 green jobs to India

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_topic&forum=102&topic_id=3850836

Evergreen Solar announces some China plans (New Green Jobs already outsourced)

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_topic&forum=102&topic_id=3857739

[undeterred]

35. infuriating

:mad:

[JVS]

55. Then the stimulus was poorly designed, as the whole point was to intervene rapidly...

to curb the crisis.

[Rosa Luxemburg]

29. yes

[upi402]

37. there's pie in the sky for ALL!

and mud in yer eye.


g/l

[Sen. Walter Sobchak]

40. This is the madness of the stimulus package

the pork barrel projects that are being funded under the stimulus package just aren't labor intensive enough to have a tangible impact on employment.

[Horse with no Name]

41. Well I don't know about you

but it seems that everyone we gave money to is laying people off--except for the CEO's.:mad:

[Mari333]

42. the only stimulus money coming here

is to clean up the park trails thru the woods. whatever the f that means. the last factory shut its doors because of GM, and 300 jobs in a town of 5000 being lost is devastating. I see *crickets* when it comes to any good paying jobs anywhere. the corporations are using our money to send jobs offshore. and nothing is being done about it.

[LWolf]

44. Not in education.

I've worked in public education for 25 years, in two states a thousand miles apart; the scope of wide spread RIFs is beyond anything I've ever seen.

41 in my SMALL district alone. And, since all the other districts in the state are doing the same, there are no "other" teaching jobs to be had.

[SemiCharmedQuark]

46. I was in Florida this last week and several schools were waiting to hear how much stimulus money

they were getting before they would renew contracts. I consider keeping jobs a success.

[LWolf]

49. We spent the first round

keeping schools open as long as possible. We cut 3 days off the year and reduced the entire district's salary to do so; stimulus dollars couldn't do it without cutting days and cutting pay, and now the first round is spent.

The second round won't be for keeping jobs; there are more strings attached. Those dollars are only available to those districts willing to move the Obama/Duncan "reform" plan forward. A plan that this educator firmly opposes. Since there aren't too many districts that will be able to turn money down, as far as I can see, we're screwed there as well.

As for next year? Stimulus money isn't saving jobs here. We're going to take ANOTHER pay cut; somewhere in the range of 2.5-5% over and above what we already took. We may not know how bad the cut is until we come back next year. We're going to a 4 day week. My students will receive 144 fewer instructional hours next year. I will work 4 10 hour days, be responsible for teaching more subjects, and lose my prep period.

We're losing our counselor. We've lost our PE and Music teachers (the 2 extra subjects we will have to teach next year.)

We cut sports programs at the middle school, we made massive cuts in classes offered at the high school.

[doc03]

45. NO n/t

[4_TN_TITANS]

50. Large projects take time to filter down.

This was my problem with the stimulus - it depends on the same old watering down network of contractors, subcontractor, sub-subcontractors, etc. Everybody takes their cut until the guy at the bottom actually doing the work is left with hardly anything. And, since he works for a contractor wanting to pay the least for labor, there's a good chance part of his pay gets sent back home to the family in Guatamala anyway.
For real infrastructure stimulus, we need the proven WPA, CCC, etc.-the organizations that skipped the middle-man contractors and went straight to the people.

[Xithras]

51. The economic stimulus will create few new jobs.

Based on the way the money is being doled out, it is mostly being used to keep currently employed people employed. Most of the stimulus projects that I've seen listed were already started but on the verge of being shut down. Stimulus money is keeping those projects going, but doesn't help the already unemployed.

A stimulus that keeps the problem from getting worse is admirable too.

[HamdenRice]

52. Teachers, cops, firemen, social workers who WERE NOT LAID OFF

The saddest part of watching the public evaluate the Obama administration is seeing that many can't understand what HASN'T happened because of the stimulus and even bailout.

There obviously are lots of projects that haven't begun.

But the very first effect of the stimulus was simply plugging state and local budget holes as local tax revenues plummet.

NPR has had several reports about cities and towns that have AVOIDED laying off people because of stimulus money.

But of course, since you can't see what would have happened if the package had not passed, the administration doesn't get credit for it.

But trust me, tends of thousands of public sector jobs have already been saved, which in turn through the multiplier effect, has prevented hundreds of thousands of private sector jobs from being eliminated.

[HarukaTheTrophyWife]

54. India

[blindpig]

56. Don't ya know, ya gotta wait for them jobs to trickle down.

The new administration could have emulated the New Deal and put masses to work on the government's dime, instant relief, money put right back into the economy. Instead money is given to bankers. Instead we get a version of trickle down. WTF is 'progressive about this? Herbert Hoover mighta done more.

Unemployment is 12.5% in this county, 20.2% in an adjacent county. And those are the official, low-ball numbers. The priorities of this administration are abysmal.

[Telly Savalas]

59. The stimulus bill funded bankers?

[lefthandedlefty]

57. My asphalt trucks are still setting in the driveway

I thought I would have some work for them by now,good thing they are paid for.My car hauler is getting one or two loads a week.Maybe it will be better next year.