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kentuck Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-27-09 08:56 AM
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The "government" is looking for "revenue"...
http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2009/05/26/AR2009052602909.html?hpid=topnews

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With budget deficits soaring and President Obama pushing a trillion-dollar-plus expansion of health coverage, some Washington policymakers are taking a fresh look at a money-making idea long considered politically taboo: a national sales tax.

Common around the world, including in Europe, such a tax -- called a value-added tax, or VAT -- has not been seriously considered in the United States. But advocates say few other options can generate the kind of money the nation will need to avert fiscal calamity.

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A White House official said a VAT is "unlikely to be in the mix" as a means to pay for health-care reform. "While we do not want to rule any credible idea in or out as we discuss the way forward with Congress, the VAT tax, in particular, is popular with academics but highly controversial with policymakers," said Kenneth Baer, a spokesman for White House Budget Director Peter Orszag.

Still, Orszag has hired a prominent VAT advocate to advise him on health care: Ezekiel Emanuel, brother of White House chief of staff Rahm Emanuel and author of the 2008 book "Health Care, Guaranteed." Meanwhile, former Federal Reserve chairman Paul A. Volcker, chairman of a task force Obama assigned to study the tax system, has expressed at least tentative support for a VAT.

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Key lawmakers are considering other ways to pay for health reform, including new taxes on sugary soda, alcohol and employer-provided health insurance. The last proposal could raise a lot of money -- nearly $1 trillion over the next five years, according to White House budget documents. But options on the table would raise a fraction of that sum. And while it might pay for health care, it would barely dent deficits projected to total nearly $4 trillion over the next five years and to grow rapidly in the future, as baby boomers draw on Social Security and Medicare

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What would it cost? Emanuel argues in his book that a 10 percent VAT would pay for every American not entitled to Medicare or Medicaid to enroll in a health plan with no deductibles and minimal copayments. In his 2008 book, "100 Million Unnecessary Returns," Yale law professor Michael J. Graetz estimates that a VAT of 10 to 14 percent would raise enough money to exempt families earning less than $100,000 -- about 90 percent of households -- from the income tax and would lower rates for everyone else.

And in a paper published last month in the Virginia Tax Review, Burman suggests that a 25 percent VAT could do it all: Pay for health-care reform, balance the federal budget and exempt millions of families from the income tax while slashing the top rate to 25 percent. A gallon of milk would jump from $3.69 to $4.61, and a $5,000 bathroom renovation would suddenly cost $6,250, but the nation's debt would stabilize and everybody could see a doctor.

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JVS Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-27-09 09:05 AM
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1. Very regressive. Forbes' flat tax bullshit was more progressive than this.
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FSogol Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-27-09 09:06 AM
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2. Here in Fairfax County, Virginia (The 2nd richest county in the US),
we tried to add a local Sales Tax to the existing State sales tax (4%) by 1 penny back during the prosperous Clinton days. Half of the revenue would go to the excellent school system and the other half would go to road projects. You should have seen the opposition I've never seen anything like it. Right or wrong, the VAT would never move forward in this political climate and suggesting it would put our party out of power.
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Auggie Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-27-09 09:06 AM
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3. How about creating jobs that provide taxable income?
That always seems to be the last alternative
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kentuck Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-27-09 09:15 AM
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4. Now that gas is at about 2.50 per gallon...
Would it not have been wise to put a .50 per gallon tax on gasoline when it was at 1.50 per gallon? And a progressive tax on the oil companies for every penny it goes up from there? People drive, regardless. This tax would make more sense than any I have heard and would help to pay off our humongous debt.
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slipslidingaway Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-27-09 09:15 AM
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5. Dr. Ezekiel Emanuel on Universal Health Care
http://www.pbs.org/now/news/315.html

4/13/07

"Promises of universal health care roll off the tongues of several presidential candidates but how do they plan to achieve it? Dr. Ezekiel Emanuel, Director of the Clinical Bioethics Department at the U.S. National Institutes of Health, says he's got the solution, in the form of an innovative and crowd-pleasing voucher plan.

"I think the universal part appeals to the Democrats. The voucher part appeals to Republicans. And I think it should make us one big happy family," Dr. Emanuel tells David Brancaccio in a web-exclusive interview...

DR. EMANUEL: Right. Well, if the states aren't paying Medicaid anymore, and employers aren't paying for insurance, we would have to find the money to pay for this. We wouldn't add more money, but we'd—you'd have to get basically—recoup somehow how employers are paying for it and how the states are paying for Medicaid. And that would be—we've proposed to finance this by a value added tax.

That means that, when you buy something, the added value is taxed. The tax would be about eight to ten of purchases—if you eliminate food and some other items that—poor people disproportionately buy. And, again—it—you're going to have to pay for this somehow. It is going to be a tax.

BRANCACCIO: This seems a little shocking if you add the ten percent to the nine percent sales tax they're already charging in California. Nineteen percent sales tax..."



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MADem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-27-09 09:20 AM
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6. Boo, hiss. Try cutting bullshit pork first. Start with some of the halfassed programs over at DOD.
Tell those Black Ops bastards they'll have to make do with less. Fire up an early retirement for civil servants--and then don't replace them.

Talk to Bill Clinton--he did a great job of reducing the size of government. Reagan talked about it--so do all Republicans--but no one did squat about it until Clinton came aboard.

Another way to save money? Move entire government organizations OUT of DC. OUT of high cost areas. Into distressed ones.

Put HUD HQ, for example, in Cleveland or Detroit. You can lower salaries and find cheaper office space. "But...but....I NEED to go to MEETINGS!!!" (the most common excuse to stay in the expensive area). Use the computer to do that. Even airfare works out cheaper, if you "have" to be present at one or two meetings a year.

Navy Personnel Command used to occupy a large, inefficient, WW2 era, expensive-to-maintain building right beside the Pentagon. Clinton moved them to .... Tennessee. Jobs got cut, downsized, and people who didn't want to leave the metro area took early retirement...and the organization continues on, using up way less dough than it did when it was in DC.
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kentuck Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-27-09 09:22 AM
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7. Good idea!
de-centralize the bureaucracy.
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slipslidingaway Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-27-09 09:25 AM
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8. Looking for revenue to save the profits of insurance companies. nt
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L0oniX Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-27-09 09:28 AM
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9. Hey I got an idea ....STOP THE FUCKING WARS!
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kentuck Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-27-09 09:31 AM
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10. Another excellent idea!
Too bad Obama doesn't read DU.
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Egalitariat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-27-09 09:31 AM
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11. Progressive taxes bring in boatloads of cash during good times. We don't save it.
Progressive taxes bring in little during bad times. Too bad we didn't save it.
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AndyA Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-27-09 10:00 AM
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12. Tax the corporations who have benefited the most from the Republican wars.
Tax the hell out of them: Halliburton, the oil companies, the corporations who got those no-bid military contracts worth hundreds of millions.

THEY are the ones best in position to pay more taxes.

Follow the money trail of GOP abuse over the last 8 years: they are responsible for this mess, let them pay at least their fair share to clean it up!
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