No thread on the House single-payer healthcare hearing? ..... OK, I'll start one.....

[marmar]

CSPAN 3....right now


www.cspan.org

www.healthcare-now.org

[marmar]

1. US dead last among 19 industrial nations in preventable deaths.....

..... according to the California Nurses Assn rep.


For shame...... :cry:

[marmar]

2. "Single-payer is the only apparatus that can effectively control costs"

Dr. Walter Tsou, former health commissioner of Philadelphia

:applause:

[Graybeard]

3. Dr. Walter Tsou: Single Payer is the only rational solution.

Former Health Commissioner of Philadelphia now speaking. To critics who say that single payer is to "radical" he says that our country was founded on radical ideas.

[marmar]

4. Uggh.....Who is this clown from the Manhattan Institute?

n/t

[Graybeard]

17. Defender of the status quo. Sounds like a fool.

Stumbling and mumbling his answers. " Er...uh...oh, that's a good question." The Chairman says "Well that's why I asked it." The audience laughs at the fool from the M.I.

[Hepburn]

5. Thanks for starting this....

...I was looking all over and could not believe there was no thread.

K&R...:hi:

[marmar]

6. Good point by Dr. Marcia Angell of Harvard......

Medicare still relies on the same profit-driven providers......The mofos need to go. The industry "offers almost nothing of value."

[Hepburn]

11. I like her....

...she just brought up that 35% of the costs are administration.

[Hepburn]

7. 75% of health care costs go to 4 chronic illnesses....

...cancer, heart disease, diabetes...and I am missing one.

Anyone pick up on all 4? :hi:

[marmar]

8. I missed the fourth because I turned it off when the Manhattan Inst. dude started flapping his lips.

I'm tuned back in now.

[Hepburn]

9. Yep....

...asshole...who is part of the problem.

[Ms. Toad]

69. Stroke?

Stroke and respiratory distress round out the top 5 chronic illnesses causing death, and post stroke care can be pretty costly.

[slipslidingaway]

10. knr - witness list

http://edlabor.house.gov/hearings/2009/06/examining-the-single-payer-hea.shtml


Witnesses:

U.S. Rep. John Conyers, Jr. (D-MI) »

Marcia Angell, M.D
Senior Lecturer in Social Medicine

Harvard Medical School

Boston, Massachusetts

David Gratzer

Senior Fellow

Manhattan Institute

Geri Jenkins, R.N. »

Co-President

California Nurses Association/National Nurses Organizing Committee

San Diego, CA

Walter Tsou, M.D., M.P.H.

National Board Advisor

Physicians for a National Health Program

Philadelphia, PA

Additional Witnesses TBA

[Hepburn]

12. A MN Pubbie up now.

And he first announces that his wife is an RN and then immediately goes to Gratzer.

GMAB...:puke:

[marmar]

13. I know....it kills me when they do that.

Sorry, representative, but that makes you even more of an asshat.

[Hepburn]

14. Yep....

...he KNOWS the truth if his wife is really an RN. So the bullshit is even more offensive.

[Hepburn]

15. Dem Rep from Oregon up now....Rep. Wu.

And he went to the MD, Dr. Angell, who supports single payer...and she goes after the ins companies.

:hi:

[marmar]

16. "I'm not as technologically-phobic" as some of my fellow panelists are....

..... Why must right-wingers be assholes? ..... I guess because the facts are NEVER on their side.

[Hepburn]

18. Hmmmmmmmm....

....I do think that it is a REQUIREMENT of RW-ness to be an asshole and misinformed...bigotry goes along with that quite often, too.

:evilgrin:

[Hepburn]

19. Biggest Pubbie Asshole of the bunch up now: DOCTOR Tom Price...

...:puke:

Starts off by reminding everyone he IS an MD...ooooooh, bow down and worship!

[marmar]

21. Proof that not everyone who gets into medical school is the "best and the brightest"

:freak:

[Hepburn]

22. The Medical Office of Frist and Price....

...:scared:

I cannot believe what a total ins co whore he is...but then, he is a Pubbie from GA.

No surprise on his bias.

[Mrs. Ted Nancy]

25. What do you call someone who graduated last

in his/her med school class?

Doctor

[Hepburn]

30. Yep....

...and you call his patients: Malpractice statistics.

[Graybeard]

33. Howard Dean took on "Dr." Gingrey this morning.

On WJ Dean followed Dr. Coburn (Sen.-OK)and was played a clip of Dr. Gingrey (Rep.-GA). He said at least Coburn presents an intelligent, if very wrong, argument. Gingrey on the other hand is so misinformed Dean worries what would happen to his patients if Gingrey was still in practice.

[Hepburn]

36. You go, Howard!

:applause:

Thanks for the info...:hi:

[Hepburn]

20. FUCK YOU, TOM PRICE....

...you insurance company, butt kissing whore.

NOTHING is better with govt intervention on health care???? Tell that to people who suffered BEFORE there was Medicare.

GMAB.....:puke:

[Sunnyshine]

87. Rep. Tom Price was identified as a Democrat by C-Span. See for yourself in last minutes of hearing.

Also, it said Rep. David Price
D- North Carolina- 4th District

Can you believe that shit?

Like they didn't know...

[Sunnyshine]

90. Rep. David Price is a Democrat for the 4th District in the NC.

Rep. Tom Price is a Republican of 6th district of NC.

Maybe it was a mix-up, but it sure is funny that it happens to D's a lot,
particularly when it makes us look bad or in opposition to many in our own party.

[Hepburn]

23. Adjourning due to a vote in the House. Will be back. n/t

[marmar]

24. Hopefully the Manhattan Institute dude will get lost on his way back to the room....

n/t

[slipslidingaway]

26. Three votes - did I hear they would be back around 12:30? nt

[Hepburn]

28. Not sure when they will be back...

...voting on several measures in the House. So not sure how long this will take.

:hi:

[slipslidingaway]

31. Thanks :) nt

[marmar]

27. And CSPAN cuts to a press conference from the Manhattan Institute.....

:puke:

[Hepburn]

29. Can you believe that bullshit????????

Geeeeeeeeeee....wonder if there might be some propaganda????

Are you listening to the blonde female doc up now???? GMAFB....:puke:

[marmar]

32. I tried....I flipped over to the Sundance Channel until she goes away.

n/t

[Hepburn]

34. I love the MUTE button....

....I aimed and ZAPPED her! :evilgrin:

I wonder if we can get the 5th rec by the time this starts up again.

[marmar]

35. I know.....I'm shocked more people aren't tuned in to this.....

But perhaps the single-payer advocates don't have the day off, like I do.

[Hepburn]

37. I am retired...

...but I do have to get ready for a DDS appointment and leave in a bit. This is a good hearing, I wish more were tuned in and commenting.

:hi:

[bkkyosemite]

51. I am it's a sham just to appease..that Getzer is a creep.

[snappyturtle]

38. Yep...here's the 5th!

I started a thread too...didn't see this one.

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=389x5817697

As I said in the above, I am very disappointed in this hearing. This is likely to be the only chance single payer advocates will be heard and the almost lack luster statements are falling short of what we need at this time: strong persausive arguments FOR single payer.

[Hepburn]

39. Woooooooot....

...thanks for the 5th!!!!

:hi:

[JimWis]

49. I have to agree with you. Somewhat lack luster statements.

They should have had the guys who were on the Moyers show. Those two doctors would have been great witnesses. Or a few of the doctors from Physicians for single payer group would have been nice. And that ringer they put in who is against single payer, what's that all about? So, yes, I am somewhat disappointed also.

[snappyturtle]

53. Thank you. Now I don't feel so crazy. Amazing isn't it that in the other

hearings no single payer advocates were heard and in this hearing we have to put up with the opposition. They should at least try to make this look fair.

[slipslidingaway]

40. Front page of C-Span says will resume at 12:30 nt

[marmar]

41. Did you see the headline they put on it?

Single Payer Plan Meets Resistance on Capitol Hill
Today

The House HELP Subcmte. is holding a hearing examining the merits of a single-payer health care plan, which calls for a single insurance plan to pay for medical costs nationwide. A panel of health care experts, physicians and medical scholars testify in favor and opposition of the legislation.


www.cspan.org

[Hepburn]

43. Thanks for the info, Mar...

...and glad your thread got the 5th rec to get on the GP.

:hi:

[slipslidingaway]

70. Thanks, I was just focused on time - meets resistance :( nt

[avaistheone1]

42. Thanks for heads up. I had no idea there was a hearing on this today.

[Hepburn]

44. Thank you for the stats!

:hi: Am saving that little pic...!

[avaistheone1]

45. Thanks. It is a pretty powerful picture.

I suppose that is why the health care industry doesn't want single payer at the table - the case for single payer is too compelling and powerful.

[John Q. Citizen]

46. Thanks for starting this thread marmar K&R

[marmar]

47. Uggggh.....12:30 can't come quickly enough....These Manhattan Institute freaks....

.... are ruining my lunch. :puke:

[snappyturtle]

48. Well hate to ruin your lunch more but I just read an article by

this Dr.David Gratzer where he 'proves' the failure of Canadian healthcare system along with it's many downfalls. We have to remember that the Manhattan Institute is a thirty year old rw policy think tank. eom

http://online.wsj.com/article/SB124451570546396929.html

[marmar]

50. On the bright side, Gratzer is making a complete fool of himself in this hearing....

:)

[John Q. Citizen]

52. That's why single payer hasn't had a seat at the table. It's unfair to have such a good idea

[snappyturtle]

56. What I object to is just this one 'little' fact....his presence! Single

payer advocates weren't allowed into hearings so why should Gratzer be at this one to muddy the waters?

[dixiegrrrrl]

54. Cspan shows much more coverage from the rw than it used to.

Thanks for the thread...I can't watch consistently this am, other things demanding my attention.
I will happily K&R this thread so we can follow the process of this hearing.

[bkkyosemite]

55. I am so angry. This is just a committee to appease and nothing more. That Gratzer is a plant for

the RW to agree with on camera. We are not Canada and we want Single Payer now! Suppose to start any minute so they say.

[marmar]

59. oops, responded to wrong post

[Hepburn]

57. Hearing back on....

...wow, who is the guy that is speaking???

"Greedy insurance companies..." is what he is talking about.

[bkkyosemite]

82. I'm on CPSAN3 and it is not on yet are you guys watching it on TV?

I do not get it on TV...it says shortly.

[Manifestor_of_Light]

58. Rep. Phil Hare is GIVING THEM HELL!!!!

You go dude!!!

[Hepburn]

61. Wow....

...I am LOVING me some Rep. Hare!

:applause:

[marmar]

60. Awwwright Phil Hare....

:applause:

[Hepburn]

62. Rep. George Miller, D-Calif, now up.

He is quiet but making points about Community Medical Centers and people who have lost their ins due to being unemployed.

[Hepburn]

63. DK is up now. n/t

[Manifestor_of_Light]

64. Go DENNIS!!!!

[snappyturtle]

67. This is what I've been wanting to hear! Go Dennis! nt

[slipslidingaway]

65. Just came back in time for Kucinich! Go after Dr. Gratzer! n/t

[Hepburn]

68. It is a thing of beauty....

...and Denny has him up against the wall with the actual stats!

Go, Denny, go!!!!!!! :bounce:

[slipslidingaway]

74. Yup :) nt

[Hepburn]

66. DK is kicking Dr. Gratzer's ass....

...big time! :applause:

Nailing him to the fucking wall on this bullshit about how bad Canadian health care is!

[mtf80123]

72. Boy is he ever!!!

Nailing that puke to the wall

[LWolf]

88. I'm home way to late to see it, but it's no surprise.

Nobody is stronger, more consistent, or more reliable on this issue than DK.

:applause:

[Hepburn]

71. Gratzer looks like something that crawls out from under a rock...

...and swills in the slime.

[Hepburn]

73. McCarthy, D-NY, is now up. n/t

[marmar]

75. Dr. Angell is tenacious.....She doesn't suffer fools.

n/t

[Hepburn]

76. I like her....

...she comes across very professional, well-informed and intelligent.

Like what people WANT in an MD! :hi:

[slipslidingaway]

77. Conyers wanted to bring Dr. Angell to the WH summit - she was not

allowed to attend.

:(

[snappyturtle]

78. That's it? nt

[slipslidingaway]

79. Thanks marmar for starting the thread - the too short hearing has

concluded.

[Hepburn]

80. Do you have the feeling that this was...

...a "throw the doggie a bone" production?

:shrug:

[snappyturtle]

81. Token only representation. nt

[Hepburn]

83. Yeah, I do agree. n/t

[slipslidingaway]

85. Unfortunately yes...my thinking is that the tone for excluding SP

advocates started with the WH summit and was continued by Baucus, now at the 11th hour they bring in a few people to say "you were allowed to speak"

Once HC reform is passed we'll hear more about controlling entitlement costs.

:(

JMHO but I think in the years ahead we will see strong competition for HC dollars and also for doctors, hope I am wrong.

:hi:

[JimWis]

84. Thanks for the thread. Yes it's over. The second half was better.

Especially when Dennis K. handed Gratzer his ass. It was a bit short, but at least a few good things managed to get in.

[Hepburn]

86. DK was totally amazing....

...that doctor got the "well, I AM the doctor look" and you could tell under his "calm" (more like rigid) exterior, he was seething. Best part of the hearing by far!

:hi:

[Uncle Joe]

89. Thanks for the thread, marmar.

Kicked and recommended.

[Sunnyshine]

91. Yes, thanks very much!

:thumbsup:

[Uncle Joe]

92. I couldn't help but notice the cynical title on C-Span

"Single Payer Plan Meets Resistance on Capitol Hill."

How about Single Payer Plan is Debated or Discussed on Capitol Hill?"

Which plan of any kind doesn't meet resistance on Capitol Hill?

How about quit giving the corporate supremacists the damn frame!!