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Bluebear Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jun-13-09 03:45 PM
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Obama was against DOMA before he was for it.
LOS ANGELES (AP) — Gay rights groups expressed dismay with the Obama administration Friday over its championing of the Defense of Marriage Act, a law the president pledged to try to repeal while on the campaign trail.

The government filed a motion late Thursday to dismiss the case of Arthur Smelt and Christopher Hammer, who are challenging the 1996 federal act. The law prevents couples in states that recognize same-sex unions from securing Social Security spousal benefits, filing joint taxes and other federal rights of marriage.

U.S. Department of Justice lawyers argued that the act — known informally as DOMA — is constitutional and contended that awarding federal marriage benefits to gays would infringe on the rights of taxpayers in the 30 states that specifically prohibit same-sex marriages.

"The president made very explicit and emphatic campaign promises that he opposes DOMA and would provide leadership calling on Congress to repeal it," said Jennifer Pizer, marriage project director for Lambda Legal. "This brief is not consistent with that promise."

http://www.google.com/hostednews/ap/article/ALeqM5hVLXVV6bmG_wjIN5b_AzLQvPaKiwD98PFONG2
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Joanne98 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jun-13-09 03:48 PM
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1. He was for single payer before he was against it too.
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OKNancy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jun-13-09 03:52 PM
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2. he was?
I'm not being confrontational here, but as far as I remember he was never for single-payer.
The main reason I supported HRC in the primaries was because her healthcare plan was far superior to Obamas.
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Hieronymus Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jun-13-09 03:54 PM
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3. He was for single payer.
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kiva Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jun-13-09 03:57 PM
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5. That's because he changed his mind.
Edited on Sat Jun-13-09 03:59 PM by kiva
Full quote from Obama in 2003:

“I happen to be a proponent of a single payer universal health care program.” (applause) “I see no reason why the United States of America, the wealthiest country in the history of the world, spending 14 percent of its Gross National Product on health care cannot provide basic health insurance to everybody. And that’s what Jim is talking about when he says everybody in, nobody out. A single payer health care plan, a universal health care plan. And that’s what I’d like to see. But as all of you know, we may not get there immediately. Because first we have to take back the White House, we have to take back the Senate, and we have to take back the House.”

Obama speaking to the Illinois AFL-CIO, June 30, 2003.

http://www.pnhp.org/news/2008/june/barack_obama_on_sing.php

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hfojvt Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jun-13-09 03:57 PM
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4. actually the brief is consistent with the promise
take the Bush tax cuts (please). They suck and Obama promised to repeal them, or let them expire, for higher incomes. However, they are Constitutional. Repealing it involves a legislative process, not a judicial one.
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Bluebear Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jun-13-09 03:58 PM
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6. Did he call people who want tax cut reforms incestuous and pedophiles?
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hfojvt Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jun-13-09 05:28 PM
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7. I doubt if OA did that here either
Those two types are going to be brought up as examples of marriages restrictions. An analogy does not make GLBT equivalent to incest or pedophilia any more than the anaology makes incest equivalent to pedophilia.
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RaleighNCDUer Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jun-13-09 05:28 PM
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8. Obama, unlike Louis XIV, is NOT the state.
The government filing to dismiss is NOT Obama filing to dismiss. It's just government attorneys doing their jobs - defending the law that is on the books.

Don't like it, CHANGE THE FUCKING LAW.
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Bluebear Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jun-13-09 05:31 PM
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9. Why are government attorneys not prosecuting war crimes and torture?
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Bluebear Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jun-13-09 05:48 PM
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11. Hello?
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NMMNG Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jun-13-09 05:45 PM
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10. That was only when he needed gay votes, support and $$$
Now he doesn't, so he can shit all over us to his heart's content.
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