KUCINICH 2012!

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With his appointment of Michael R Taylor to the FDA, the final straw on my support for Obama in 2012 is drawn. I will henceforth work for the nomination and election of Dennis Kucinich for President of the United States in 2012 (that is, of course, should he run).

I'll probably take some heat for this but the idea that Obama would appoint a Monsanto lobbyist to the FDA is beyond corporate whorishness. Goldman-Sachs? Monsanto? Are you fucking kidding me? I've had it. So burn me!

I will, in the meantime, try to find reasons to continue supporting Obama as our current president as I really had high hopes for him. But it won't be easy if he continues on his present course.

[BlooInBloo]

1. Because even a man who talks to space aliens would be better than Obama.

[flvegan]

2. Who talked to space aliens?

[BlooInBloo]

4. Moonbeam McCrazypants.

[flvegan]

13. You're going to have to be more clear about whom you've alleged

to have talked to space aliens.

[Individualist]

6. He's obviously talking about himself

[flvegan]

15. Can't be.

Didn't use one of the many words we're not supposed to use around here in regards to other DUers.

[bvar22]

105. There is a small but loud group at DU who don't care about truth.

This group reminds me of Fox News, screaming their empty slogans and talking points 24/7.
I really hope they are being paid because anyone who works that hard to spread disinformation on a voluntary basis has some real problems.

[flvegan]

115. Yeah

I know. I like to point that sort of inaccurate portrayal. It really is a shame.

[Toasterlad]

133. She Breaks Out This Tired Nonsense Every Time Kucinich Comes Up.

Pay no attention.

[winyanstaz]

7. Where in the world did you get that idea?

Please dont tell me that you are one of those that think anyone saying they saw a ufo is talking about spaceships? That would just be plain silly.
Try looking up what it means.
It does NOT mean space ships..it means you can't identify what is there. Simply that and nothing more.
sheesh...I cant believe people sometimes.

[BlooInBloo]

9. Indeed, it is plain silly...

"It hovered, soundless, for 10 minutes or so, and sped away with a speed he couldn't comprehend. He said he felt a connection in his heart and heard directions in his mind."

http://tpmelectioncentral.talkingpointsmemo.com/2007/10/kucinich_had_a_ufo_encounter_according_to_friend_shirley_maclaine.php

I'm glad we're in complete agreement on this.

[armyowalgreens]

58. Well that is unsettling...

and possibly face/palm worthy?

[Number23]

60. At the very least a facepalm, or possibly a

[winyanstaz]

96. So it couldn't be something we have? sheesh...

I understand the pentagon has been working on being able to put broadcasts into people's heads long distance for some time now..and who knows what new planes they are making now as it is top secret.
What makes you think our technology has not grown once again>?? You have no proof it was aliens, nor did Dennis.
Dennis is not the only one that has seen these objects, they have been seen all over the world and filmed as well. It still doesn't make them little green men.
Trouble with some people is they would rather people lied than to admit the truth as Dennis did. So now you bash him for being honest.

[Individualist]

131. People who use Shirley McLaine as a source are woo woos.

[Common Sense Party]

117. Let's be accurate. They talked to HIM. Dennis just listened.

[Canuckistanian]

141. Whew!

When you talk back to them, they call you crazy.

I never did understand what they were trying to tell me, but man, they had some good apple crisp.

[girl gone mad]

123. That's about as dumb as the "Obama associates with known terrorists"..

meme was.

[LynneSin]

3. Have fun with that

:eyes:

I mean we have the right to support whomever we want but hell, I'd like to give Obama a few years in the White House before I start jumping off the bandwagon. Obama has done alot of good but I suppose for some folks if he just misses out on 1-2 key issues then hell, let's just start the impeachment :crazy:

[Subdivisions]

10. I didn't say anything about impeaching Obama. I just can't tolerate

8 years of handing key government positions over to corporate entities - especially one that is trying to patent every food crop and seed on the planet so that one has to go to them to obtain there genetically altered GMO seeds. Sorry.

[HiFructosePronSyrup]

11. key government position?

the special assistant to the FDA commissioner for food safety is a key government position?

Have you always believed that, or are you just grasping at straws?

[Subdivisions]

12. He's a fucking lobbyist for Monsanto! What about that don't you understand?

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=389x6019444

These companies want to OWN OUR SEEDS!

By the way, isn't this a Democratic forum? Aren't I allowed to support a Democrat on this forum?

ETA: I think the position of Treasury Secretary IS a key position.

[HiFructosePronSyrup]

14. He was a lobbyist for Monsanto. Years ago.

"These companies want to OWN OUR SEEDS!"

Then don't sell them your seeds, silly.

"By the way, isn't this a Democratic forum?"

Yes, which is kind of weird that you'd bring it up, given your crazy talk against the Democratic president.

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16. I haven't spoken "against" the president. I have said I will support

Kucinich should he run in 2012 because I can no longer support Obama in that election. I also said that I will continue to support Obama while he is president, though it will not be easy considering I don't agree with many of his actions and policies.

[HiFructosePronSyrup]

20. Who are you trying to kid?

You got all worked up over this Taylor guy, went on some anti-Obama screed about not voting for him any more, and then completely went to crazy town with THEY'RE TAKING OUR SEEDS!

I mean, you're hilarious!

:rofl:

[Subdivisions]

23. Ignored. n/t

[HiFructosePronSyrup]

25. lulz

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=105x6915718

[LynneSin]

31. You know what's really funny

Kucinich probably won't bother running for president in 2012. So this OP will be out there doing a 1-man campaign for someone campaigning for Obama.

[HiFructosePronSyrup]

32. Yeah, I mentioned that.

Kucinich endorsed Obama in the primaries, I've no doubt he'll do it again.

That said, I don't think the OP's really as big a Kucinich supporter as he'd have you believe.

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43. Hence the 'should he run' caveat. You know what's really funny?

That you would take such a harsh tone with me who toasted Obama's victory with you on Inaugural eve at the Hawk & Dove. I voted for him. Twice. But, it's real simple, Obama isn't measuring up to my expectations. Sure, he's done some good things. But the bad things are really bad. And this appointment of Taylor, who wants GMO foods to dominate our food supplies, is really, really bad. I don't want genetically modified foods controlled by corporate enities. I want natural foods grown by traditional farming methods and unadulterated seed species.

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[Cessna Invesco Palin]

24. Obama steals our precious bodily fluids!!!

[HiFructosePronSyrup]

26. "precious bodily fluid," "seed"

Probably not a coincidence.

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[LynneSin]

28. Want to see me really trip the OP

I use to work for pharmaceutical yeps years ago. One of the big ones - really big ones. Use to help put together their presentations they did for congress.

I don't know enough about this guy from Monsanto to make an informed decision or decide to drop Obama on it. Hell if I wanted reasons to drop Obama they started about 2 weeks after he was elected. But as I said before, I like to give the guy a few years until I make that decision.

And I haven't worked for Lobbyists in 2000. I had a chance of a permanent position with them but turned it down because, well, didn't want to be working for pharma lobbyists.

[HiFructosePronSyrup]

30. Oh, I doubt the OP doesn't also work for a corporation.

I'm guessing McDonalds.

Maybe Starbucks.

[Subdivisions]

33. Hi LynneSin. How have you been? I know enough to know that Taylor

is in favor of GMO foods and I am not. Also, I agree that Obama has given other reasons (for me, Geithner and Summers) to seek another candidate for 2012. My intention is not to totally abandon him. I really hope he changes tack and I can feel comforatable seeing him in a second term. In the meantime, I will support him on the things I can and will challenge him on the things I can't.

:hi:

[flvegan]

44. Based on that post, I'd love to see it.

Since you offered nothing that would "trip the OP" short of "I don't know enough"

Winning argument though, I'm sure. Good luck with it.

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[cali]

72. bwahahaha. YOU won't tolerate? Who do you think you are?

Sorry, dear, but you ain't a dictator.

[Toasterlad]

134. Some Of Us Are Not Satisfied With the Status Quo.

Unfortunately for us, the majority of voters in this country are like you: sheep who bleet when told to bleet and vote for whom they're told to vote.

[HiFructosePronSyrup]

5. LOL

Like Kucinich would ever consider not supporting Obama.

[Life Long Dem]

8. Howard Dean

I love throwing that ace out there!

[Political Tiger]

17. Good luck with that. By the way:

Noted Food Safety Expert Michael R. Taylor Named Advisor to FDA Commissioner

Michael R. Taylor, J.D., a nationally recognized food safety expert and research professor at George Washington University’s School of Public Health and Health Services, will return to the U.S. Food and Drug Administration to serve as senior advisor to the commissioner.

<...>

Specifically, Taylor will work to:

• Assess current food program challenges and opportunities
  
• Identify capacity needs and regulatory priorities
  
• Develop plans for allocating fiscal year 2010 resources
  
• Develop the FDA’s budget request for fiscal year 2011
  
• Plan implementation of new food safety legislation.

<...>

Taylor has had a long and distinguished career in public service. He began at the FDA in 1976 as a litigating attorney. He served as the FDA’s Deputy Commissioner for Policy from 1991 to 1994, overseeing FDA's policy development and rulemaking, including the implementation of the Nutrition Labeling and Education Act and issuance of new seafood safety rules.

From 1994 to 1996, he served at the U.S. Department of Agriculture as Administrator of the Food Safety and Inspection Service (FSIS) and Acting Under Secretary for Food Safety. During that time, he spearheaded public health-oriented reform of the FSIS. Since 2000, Taylor has worked in academic and research settings on the challenges facing the nation’s food safety system and ways to address them.

Taylor’s recent research agenda has focused on policy, resource, and institutional issues that affect the success of public health agencies in carrying out their prevention-related missions. He served as chair of the steering committee of the Food Safety Research Consortium, collaboration among six universities and a nonprofit think tank to improve food safety decision making and priority setting.

http://www.fda.gov/NewsEvents/Newsroom/PressAnnouncements/ucm170842.htm

[Political Tiger]

19. By the way, PT 2:

White House brings stronger food safety measures to the table

The White House today announced new food safety measures aimed at reducing salmonella and E. coli outbreaks, plus the creation of a new FDA deputy commissioner position to increase coordination of federal food safety activities.

“These new measures represent real progress towards improving the safety of food in the U.S.," said Jean Halloran, the director of Consumers Union’s food safety campaign. "The creation of this new position means that, for the first time, there is a ‘go to’ person at the FDA whose sole responsibility is keeping food safe."

President Obama is traveling so it was left to Vice-President Biden to announce the findings of the Food Safety Working Group, which was formed in March. Among the key actions the administration is taking to improve food safety are:

• Developing guidance for industry on "traceback" so that contaminated food is quickly identified and removed from shelves and so that people hear about problems faster;
  
  
• Instituting a new salmonella rule to prevent contamination in the egg industry;
  
  
• Issuing new FDA guidance to prevent E. coli O157:H7 contamination of leafy greens, melons and tomatoes; and
  
  
• Implementing more thorough inspections to prevent E. coli and other pathogens at facilities that handle beef.

<....>

http://blogs.consumerreports.org/safety/2009/07/white-house-brings-stronger-food-safety-measures-to-the-table.html

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22. Oh, that's very nice. Oh, by the way...

http://home.intekom.com/tm_info/rw91228.htm#02

...snip...

"I am leaving Monsanto because I am interested in exploring in a noncommercial setting the proper roles and interactions of the public and private spheres in meeting society's food, health and environmental needs," he wrote in a Dec. 13 letter to Monsanto chief executive officer Robert B. Shapiro.

In a brief interview, Taylor said he had only high regard for Monsanto and his colleagues there.

Some of Taylor's friends, however, said he had become frustrated with the "culture" of the biotech company and he believed it had not done enough to effectively get across to the public the safety of genetically engineered foods, drugs and other agricultural products.

...snip...


Perhaps now he'll be in a position to do "enough to effectively get across to the public the safety of genetically engineered foods, drugs and other agricultural products. Ummmm....no thanks.

[Political Tiger]

27. Thanks for the 1999 snip from "Genetically Manipulated Food News"

Genetically Manipulated Food News, yes, that's surely a well respected and unbiased source for information.......

Yes, there's not doubt that having Taylor as an advisor to the FDA is a secret plot to genetically manipulate all our food stuffs and we are all doomed, so I join you in your quest to have Dennis Kucinich become president in 2012 because he will stop those dirty conspirators from messing with our food, assuming we're not all dead by then from this terrible conspiracy to genetically manipulate all our food!

Best of all, once President Kucinich, who I'm sure will win in a landslide never before seen in this country, has stopped this conspiracy, he can start work on building that landing strip next to the White House for the spaceships from planet Xoipan to land and make first contact with us!

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36. The original article was from the Washington Post. But, you're welcome any way. n/t

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[cali]

73. Why do people always resort to that hoary chestnut?

"Sarah Palin must really scare the crab out of liberals" "Dennis Kucinich must really scare the crap out of corporatists", etc.

I loath and detest Monsanto, but the fact is that Kucinich isn't even a dot on the corporatists' radar screens.

[Enthusiast]

129. Yup, as long

as they can characterize him as loony it won't be necessary to kill him. Never get in the way of corporate interests or you die!

[Grinchie]

53. Oh, and don;t forget ...

http://www.politicalfriendster.com/showPerson.php?id=2590&name=Michael-Taylo

Michael Taylor is a Senior Fellow at Resources for the Future (RFF) and Director of the Risk, Resources and Environmental Management division. As the creator of the biotech loopholes for Monsanto...

Attorney for Monsanto who rewrote the "regulations" for Genetically Modified foods. His brilliant addition is the "substantial equivalence" measure which says if the nutrition measures are the same for the GMO as the natural food it is nobody's business what the chemical companies add. They add a lot.

[Cessna Invesco Palin]

21. NO. ENOUGH VANITY CAMPAIGNS. n/t

[TreasonousBastard]

29. What happened to Nader?

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34. Er...I'm sorry...is Nader a Democrat? n/t

[Maru Kitteh]

35. Thanks for the comedic interlude. Mary Matalin has a better shot.

as in to say; NONE.

[Subdivisions]

38. Perhaps. But in the absense of anyone else at the moment, Dennis is as good as any. n/t

[armyowalgreens]

59. There are a number of people who hold the same views and are far more electable...

Howard Dean seems to be at the top of the list.

[FrenchieCat]

37. Here we are talking about 2012 in 2009......

and here I thought only Republicans could be that stupid. :eyes:

[Subdivisions]

39. Democrat on Democrat violence. Nice. n/t

[Grinchie]

56. After Today, and FISA, and Gitmo, And Iraq, and No Justice for Bush

Obama can lick my balls.

I worked hard to help him get elected, and he a farting in the faces of all that believed what he said. Not it's time to get back to reality, and stop fooling ourselves that "He's playing chess or some other bullshit like that, while the federal reserves mortgages our future, and we get the shitty end of the stick.

Doing the same thing over and over again, expecting different results, is the definition of insanity. When you realize, I hope it doesn't hurt too much.

Your apologetic attitude will enable much to go wrong by not sending a clear message that we've had enough.

[elocs]

40. I'm sure the freepers would love to see the Dems nominate Kucinich

as much as the Dems would like to see them nominate Palin. The difference between the two is that Palin would actually then have a real chance to win if she was running against Kucinich. My guess is that DK could not even get elected to the Senate in his own state if he ran much less POTUS.

But then since DK would never be nominated this is a moot discussion anyways. I wonder, would Republicans bail on a president from their party as quickly as some Dems do with Obama? That attitude explains a lot about Democrats.

[Subdivisions]

41. Do you think comparing me to a republican makes it so? That attitude

explains alot about those who call fellow Democrats republicans. I see you capitalize "republican". I guess that makes you one of them then...right?

[elocs]

81. The attitude is that Republicans tend to stick together through their differences

while Democrats jump to always seek something they think is better. I did not compare you to a Republican. I capitalize both Democrat and Republican. Fortunately for me I will no longer be able to see any more of your posts. I hope you understand exactly what that means and what I am telling you. Good luck living in a fantasy world.

[Grinchie]

57. Yeah, they nominated Hilary ... Who now works at state...

Who did we vote for again? Change?

[truedelphi]

42. Survey says -

28 % of all Americans identify themselves as Republicans
32% consider themselves Democrats.

A whopping 40% are rather tired of both parites. (From Pew Research Spring 2008)

And if I remember correctly - when voters were told Kucinich's platform, but not his name, he received a 62% approval rating.

[FrenchieCat]

46. Survey says....

Obama's approval ratings are fine in his first six months in office.

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[Toasterlad]

135. Where Are the Gays? Oh, That's Right...It's a Poll About OBAMA.

Gays don't exist to him.

[Jennicut]

47. That's nice. Obama also has a 92% approval rating from "liberal dems" per Gallup

And is doing fairly well with independents. He scores 16% with conservative Rethugs.http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=132&topic_id=8518054&mesg_id=8518054

I love the Kooch but I doubt he would win and I doubt he would run against Obama.
I guess that leaves...Cythina McKinney, old crazy herself.
And I ain't deciding on 2012 until at least 2011. I mean sheesh, I cannot get back election crap so soon. I need a much longer break. And I need to go to bed. See? Politics is way too obsessive for me. Not until 2011, I tell you.

[Grinchie]

48. Kucinich has my support. He's the only one consistent enought to speak honestly

And doesn't treat people like little Children.

There is a reason that the Media didn't allow Kucinich to be a part of the Campaign, and thats because they knew he would end the party.

It's ok, as long as he's safe until the Obama administration self destructs and starts is decline in the next couple of moneths, as the Federal Reserve Fraud Squad leads the country into the depths.

Kucinich and Dean will be there.

Obama is too busy toeing the line for Corporate America to notice that he has just about lost 50% of the base that helped him get elected. And it's pretty clear that the Republicans aren't going to start loving him all of a sudden.

[cali]

50. it'schildish to think he has any chance at all.

And frankly, I'll take Bernie over Dennis any day of the week. Dennis is a good guy, but Bernie is a real leader.

[Grinchie]

63. At this point, I'd consider all three, just as long as the Obama Clinton crew is swept out.

The overall complexion and taint of the DLC burns strong in the Obama administration. Secretive, and sold out to the Corporations, just like Billy boy.

[cali]

64. There is no way that anyone but Obama will be the dem candidate

in '12. It's that simple. And Dennis stands exactly no chance of being nominated as the dem presidential candidate, ever. If he runs again, he'll simply be a vanity candidate.

I live in the real world. And in the real world, you work with what you have. And what we have in Obama is substantially better than any repub.

[Grinchie]

74. Good luck with that

Today, as news spreads about Taylor, Obama has eloquently lost the support of all organic farmers that I know, and a whole lot more whne you include the people that know what the hell is produced by the current agricultural system. It's not a matter of reality, it's a matter of ethics, and that what counts, otherwise we would be utilizing health, sustainable methods of producing healthy, nourishing food.

We have lots of friends, family and business acquaintances. We work smarter than big ag, and don't pollute like big ag. People like us, and our farm, and the natural coexistance with nature that we promote.

Thats right, you go on believing that we are insignificant. we don't have enough numbers to matter in 2012. Heh heh heh. Thats the reality Cali.

The fact is Obama has played his hand to the end, and now he's lost.

I am not settling for not as bad as a Repub. I want a democrat that stand up for democratic ideals, not Corporate America. If that's your real world, excuse me while I get off the bus.

Kucinich scares the hell out of Corporate America, and so does Dean. Both of them were demonized by the media, and the American public gorged on the media destruction of both.

[cali]

94. codswallop. You don't speak for all organic farmers.

I happen to know more than a few who support Obama and who I'll bet will support him in 2012- including the past chair of the VT House Ag Committee. That's right, the chair of the VT House Ag Committee from 2005 to 2009 was David Zuckerman. He's a member of the Progressive party and a longtime organic farmer. And the reason he gave up the Ag committee chair was for a seat on Ways and Means. He certainly wasn't pushed out. I never said organic farmers are insignificant. I'm a big admirer of organic farming and involved with the Hardwick local/organic/slow money movement. I said your threats are insignificant and further YOU have no right to speak for all organic farmers. I know many, many organic farmers and as far as I know, they haven't elected YOU as their spokesperson.

As for Dean, he'd laugh his ass off at your pathetic threats and hubris. I know Howard. He was my gov for 11 years, and he has no use for your kind of bullshit. Neither does Bernie for that matter.

[Toasterlad]

137. And It's Insane To Vote For More of the Same When You Want Change.

My vote for Kucinich is much more honest than your vote for Obama.

[armyowalgreens]

52. I will not make up my mind 3 years before the next election...

However, I am very pissed off at Obama already. This is not a good sign. But who knows what will happen in the future.

[cali]

55. That's a wise way to go.

It is way too early to think about.

[Grinchie]

65. Not for me. The evidence is already mountainous.

I wish you the best of luck waiting for the trigger that send you packing from Obama.

The Michael Taylor appointment stalls the Labeling to GMO components in our food supply by at least 3 years. You watch, it will be delayed, and perhaps become impossiible when Codex Alimentarius goes into effect in December 2009.

From what I am hearing Codex Alimentarius will remove effective labeling from our foods. What I have seen recently from people studying this Food Globaliztion standard, it's pretty frightening at the scope of the control over our food supply.

People are saying that it is a back door way for Big Pharma to gain more control over food, drugs and herbs.

The stakes are much too high to pin on the "Hope" that Obama comes around. We may not have that much time, which Is why I'm going to do the only sensible and sound the alarm for the benefit of others, so they may be able to examine the situation and make their own informed decision.

I wish all the compassionate, intelliegent and empathetic people the best, and hope they will find a way to weather the events approaching us. My advice is to prepare to take care of yourselves if necessary.

As far as being too early, a normal court case taken to trial is about 4 years.. Don't waste that time when the evidence already has presented itself.

[cali]

62. What's the point of supporting someone who doesn't stand a c hance?

He doesn't stand a chance in a billion of being nominated. And what will you do if he doesn't run? And my guess is he won't.

[BlooInBloo]

68. So that they can bitch and moan about whoever does win, themselves being insulated from criticism...

due to the fact that their guy will never win.

Basically it's just a semi-complicated way of being a complete and utter coward. You get the guaranteed freedom-from-criticism card, due to the fact that everyone knows Moonbeam McCrazypants will never win the nomination, and thus will never be accountable for his wish-list.

Overall, it's really a very Nietzschean phenomenon.

[Grinchie]

69. Whats the point of supporting someone who does not look out for your interests?

If your banker steals from you, you don't keep depositing money in his bank, do you?

If a presidents wife is all gung ho on organic gardening, yet the president installs people linked to the Chemical and Biotech giant of Monsanto, twice, then something is amiss.

I'm a farmer and I know my subject extremely well. We are is serious trouble in the Agricultural sector, and the media has a hands off edict from on high.
The systems we have that are producing the bulk of the food you eat are unhealthy and are causing illness. They pollute the environment, and the GMO food, are poisoning us in ways that a just now being discovered. We have been unknowing guinea pigs to GMO laced foods thanks to Michael Taylor, and it's such a well kept secret, you guys are oblivious to this fact.

We are the canaries in the coal mine.. I weas caught up in the hoopla like all the rest. I really was counting on change. It has turned out to be a cruel joke.

I plan to do my part, and perhaps I will be able to feed a few dozen people with my organic farm year round, but the masses are going to be in for guite a shock when they learn about their food supply. Just hope the learning process is not a contaminated burger, or that yummy chunk of Frozen Cookie dough you nibbled on that hospitalized you, or that cancerous growth in your stomach is caused by Roundup Ready corn products. Or you become afflicted with an unusually virulent strain of C. Difficile which has exploded into a serious infection where none has existed before.

There are a great many issues that are reported in isolation, and nobody seems willing to make the connections. Hope is great and all. I would like the think that Hoping would paint the garage, but the fact of the matter is that it won't. We have to sling the paint ourselves and get it done.

It's time for me to get to work and start looking for a candidate in 2012. Obama is finished.

[cali]

78. well, I was never caught up in the hooplah.

and sorry to disappoint you dear, but I'm well versed in ag issues. I'm not an organic farmer but I am a long time organic gardener and I know where my food comes from. I live in the epicenter of a burgueoning organic/local food center (google hardwick, vermont for stories about it). So much as you may wish for me to fall ill from food poisoning, it's unlikely to happen.

I actually agree with you about the dire condition of our food supply. I don't agree that there are easy solutions.

And no, Obama isn't finished, honey. That's your delusion.

[Toasterlad]

139. +1

Obama will almost surely be the Democratic nominee in 2012, but he'll never get my vote again. I'll write in Kucinich, or another progressive candidate, or I'll simply stay home. But I'll never again waste my time, money, or vote on a candidate who does not represent my interests.

That's what voting's supposed to be all about.

[Boomerang Diddle]

66. Riiiight....Kucinich has done so well in all his other presidential campaigns

no doubt he is a shoo-in for 2012.

[armyowalgreens]

67. True, however, being an "UNAPOLOGETIC supporter of President Barack Hussein Obama"...

Is just as bad don't you think?

[Boomerang Diddle]

70. No.

And just as bad as what?

[armyowalgreens]

71. well first I need to know what you mean by "unapologetic" supporter...

[Boomerang Diddle]

75. It's my retort to the overused and sophomoric charge by Obama critics

that anyone who dares to defend Obama is an "apologist."

[armyowalgreens]

76. But you are willing to criticize Obama, correct?

And not in the "well he could have done better, but he tried his best" kind of way.

[Boomerang Diddle]

83. What is this? 20 questions?

It's just a tag line. It's not meant to convey some deep meaning. I support the president and not ashamed to say so, as some people here think supporting the president is something one should be ashamed of, or be embarrassed by, or should be hung out to dry for.

It doesn't mean I'm part of a cult, or am unwilling to criticize him, or that think he's infallible. It just means I think he's doing a damn good job and I'm happy he's our president.

[armyowalgreens]

84. "It just means I think he's doing a damn good job"...

You are willing to criticize him, but in the face of mounting evidence of gross misjudgements, you think he is doing a damn good job?

I can understand supporting him as president...But saying he is doing a damn good job is just negligent.

[Boomerang Diddle]

85. That's your OPINION, it's not a fact.

Don't confuse the two.

Just because you think something he does is a "gross misjudgement(sic)" doesn't mean you are right, or that everyone should agree with you. It's that type of arrogance by Obama critics that bugs me.

Now, does Walgreens really have an army?

[armyowalgreens]

86. War in Afghanistan, invoking state secrets, continuing indefinite detention...

his unwillingness to suspend DODT, shady wall-street bailouts, putting wall street fat cats in government...now the Monsanto appointment...


That is not opinion. That's fact. Unless you support these actions, or lack of action, you cannot justifying the statement "It just means I think he's doing a damn good job".


And it depends on your definition of "army"... They have 7000 locations all over the US and control a good chunk of prescription fills at 617 million fills last year.

[Boomerang Diddle]

88. Again, that's your opinion. You want Obama to govern like Dennis Kucinich would

but I got news for you....Obama ain't Dennis Kucinich! Obama never ran on an extreme far-left plank nor did he ever promise you a rose garden. Some people, when not driving drunk and then posting about it on a message board tend to look for anything to become outraged about. I'll never get that. I don't understand this need by some on the left to stay angry 24/7, or to look for reasons to become angry, while completely blocking out the good Obama has done, for instance, like this:

* Signed executive orders to close the U.S. military prison at Guantanamo Bay, Cuba, within a year, ban torture and end the CIA’s secret overseas prisons and define treatment of Detainees.
* Reversed restrictions on stem cell research.
* Signed the Lilly Ledbetter Fair Pay Act. Reducing discrimination based on gender, age, religion, or race.
* Signed an executive order reversing the ban that prohibits funding to international family planning groups that provide abortions. Gag rule revoked (Mexico City policy).
* Creates the White House Council on Women and Girls "to provide a coordinated federal response to the challenges confronted by women and girls and to ensure that all
Cabinet and Cabinet-level agencies consider how their policies and programs impact women and families."
* Signed a Presidential Memorandum extending federal benefits to same-sex partners of federal workers and announced support for the Domestic Partners Benefits and Obligations Act of 2009.
* Reverses U.S. position on LGBT Issues at the UN: At the "Durban Review Conference," U.S. supports language condemning “all forms of discrimination and all other human rights violations based on sexual orientation.”
* Signed executive order requiring federal contractors to offer jobs to current workers when contracts change.
* Reversed a Bush order requiring federal contractors to post notice that workers can limit financial support of unions serving as their exclusive bargaining representatives.
* Signed executive order preventing federal contractors from being reimbursed for expenses meant to influence workers deciding whether to form a union and engage in collective bargaining.
* Created a foreclosure prevention fund for homeowners.
* Expanded eligibility for the refinancing portion of the Making Home Affordable plan to help Americans struggling with distressed mortgages refinance at lower interest rates, even if they owe up to 25 percent more than their homes are now worth.
* Established a credit card "bill of rights".
* Expanded loan programs for small businesses.
* Extended and index the 2007 Alternative Minimum Tax patch.
* Expanded eligibility for State Children's Health Insurance Fund (SCHIP).
* Expanded funding to train primary care providers and public health practitioners.
* Created a new White House task force on the problems of middle-class Americans, and installed Vice President Joe Biden as its chairman.
* Appoints Vice President Joe Biden to Oversee Stimulus Plan Payouts.
* Granted a reprieve to Liberian immigrants facing imminent expulsion.
* Directed military leaders to end war in Iraq.
* Allowing Caskets to be photographed when the return from Iraq with family approval.
* Released nine previously secret internal Justice Department memos and opinions defining the legal limits of government power in combating terrorism.
* On Arab TV Network, Obama Urges Dialogue.
* Gave a speech in Cairo engaging the Muslim and Arab world.
* Bars independent contractors from conducting interrogations of terror suspects.
* Granted Americans unrestricted rights to visit family and send money to Cuba.
* Ordered the release of nearly a quarter of a million pages of records from the Reagan White House that were kept from the public during a lengthy review by President George W. Bush.
* Restored funding for the Byrne Justice Assistance Grant (Byrne/JAG) program.
* Released presidential records.
* Required new hires to sign a form affirming their hiring was not due to political affiliation or contributions.
* Pushed for enactment of Matthew Shepard Act, which expands hate crime law to include sexual orientation and other factors.
* Invites gay families to the Easter Egg Roll as part of the Obama administration's outreach to diverse communities.
* Created a White House Office on Urban Policy.
* Increased funding for the NEA.
* Appointed an assistant to the president for science and technology policy.
* Funded a major expansion of AmeriCorps.
* Banned lobbyist gifts to executive employees.
* Investment in all types of alternative energy.
* Enacted tax credit for consumers for plug-in hybrid cars.
* Support for high-speed rail.
* Provided grants to encourage energy-efficient building codes.
* Extended unemployment insurance benefits and temporarily suspend taxes on these benefits.
* Created the White House Council on Automotive Communities and Workers to help auto industry workers transition to new manufacturing opportunities, including jobs in alternative energy.
* Stop raids on medical marijuana dispensers.
* Nominated Sonia Sotomayor to the Supreme Court of the United States. If confirmed, Sotomayor would be the first Hispanic to ever serve on the Supreme Court.
* Appointed more than 60 openly LGBT persons to positions in the executive branch.
* Issues Presidential Proclamation for Pride, proclaiming June 2009 as Lesbian, Gay, Bisexual, and Transgender Pride Month.
* Signed a mercury reduction pact with 140 other nations.
* Signed the Weapons System Acquisition Reform Act to curb wasteful spending by the Pentagon. Intended to price contracts and budgets lower; may potentially save billions of dollars in defense.
* Signed the Omnibus Public Lands Management Act of 2009, which serves to protect two million acres of land and creates a new system of land conservation for the Bureau of Land Management.
* Phase out government payments to crop producers making more than $500,000 a year and eliminates subsidies for cotton storage to help trim the U.S. budget deficit.
* Cut funding for a proposed U.S. nuclear storage facility at Yucca Mountain.
* Restored Endangered Species Act Provision requiring U.S. agencies consult with independent federal experts to determine if their actions might harm threatened and endangered species.
* Orders The Chesapeake Bay Protection and Restoration "to protect and restore the health, heritage, natural resources, and social and economic value of the Nation's largest estuarine ecosystem and the natural sustainability of its watershed."
* Signed the 2009 Omnibus Public Land Management Act designating two million additional acres of public wilderness areas the highest level of government protection from logging and other forms of commercial use and development.
* Signed the Christopher and Dana Reeve Paralysis Act which will expedite the search for cures and treatments for millions of Americans living with paralysis caused by spinal cord injury, stroke, MS, Parkinson's and many other diseases and disorders.
* Established The Joint Virtual Lifetime Electronic Record, a new system for updating medical records of servicemen and women both during and after their military careers.
* Established the White House Office of Health Reform.
* Created new and stronger safety standards to safeguard the country's food supply.

[armyowalgreens]

93. That' a lot of stuff...

However, it still does not refute the facts.

He supports increasing actions in Afghanistan and Pakistan.
He supports indefinite detention.
He supports immunity for wiretapping.
He has invoked state secrets on torture/detention/surveillance documentation.
He has still not suspended DODT.
He has appointed corporate/wall street pigs to high ranking government positions.

All are MAJOR issues.


That is all involved with promises he made during his campaign. And even if they weren't that doesn't mean he gets off Scott free. He never spoke of hating mass murder during his campaign. But that doesn't let him off the hook if he all of a sudden supported it.


Also, I appreciate the particularly low blow. That's duly noted for future encounters.

[NeedleCast]

107. *Whinge!* but he hasn't done anything!

Thank you for that list!

[Name removed]

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[cali]

79. fuck off, trollykins. This thread is contentious enough without astupid fucking troll

sticking it's hateful and ugly snout into it.

[earth mom]

80. Kucinich 2012! Time for some REAL hope and change!

:applause:

:woohoo:

:bounce:

[cali]

82. Gandhi for 2012!

Not much more unrealistic.

[WeDidIt]

87. I'll bet Obama is just fine with Kucinich supporters being pissed off at him

I think he'd be worried if Kucinich supporters were happy with everything he's done.

[slay]

89. Hrmmm.. SOMEONE hates Kucinich in this thread - can you tell

who? It's the same person - look at how many times she has replied to this thread.

[slay]

90. self-delete

sorry talkin to myself again.. lol.. wrong place

[slay]

91. Kucinich was ALWAYS my first choice

He is the first choice of every highly intelligent progressive I know. Dennis is the closest thing to a true man of the people I have ever seen in my lifetime. Unless Obama does a 180 - I'll love to see Kucinich 2012! :patriot:

[NYCGirl]

106. Then how come his vote percentage in the primaries is constantly in the

single digits? I guess there isn't very many "intelligent progressives", then.

[slay]

113. Nor are there one's who can type a sentence in proper english - like you

ya big hater.. :P

[NYCGirl]

126. I don't hate Kucinich. I just don't think he is much of a leader. For the amount

of time he's been in Congress, his legislative record is quite poor.

[Toasterlad]

140. Because The Democratic Sheep Allowed Themselves to Be TOLD Who to Vote For.

Just as they'll continue to do until this country is completely beyond salvation.

[Sherman A1]

92. I too wanted DK, but that wasn't going to happen

and I knew it. I also knew that Obama was much more conservative than I would have liked, but he was our candidate and is now our President so I will support him. I will not agree with him on every issue or appointment, but there is this website thing with which I can make my thoughts known to him (and do so). It's not a perfect world and life goes on.

That said I will support DK for his re-election to his seat in the House where while he does not represent the district in which I live, he does represent my viewpoints on many issues. He is doing a good job for many of us right where he is, so that is not a bad thing at all.

And in regard to the rather mean-spirited comments about the UFO sighting. It was an UNIDENTIFIED Flying Object, which does not necessarily entail it being alien or a flying saucer..... So try some fact checkin' there ........... Skippy.

[quaker bill]

95. Why don't we just wait

and see what Mr. Taylor actually does once in office? 2012 is a long way off, we have the time. A JD (Juris Doctor) like most lawyers, would be likely to advocate for his / her client. When the client is Monsanto, one advocates for Monsanto, when the client is President Obama, one likely advocates for his admnistration. This will likely yeild a different result. Rather than drawing suppositions from the past, I simply suggest we look at actual performance. It appears we will have the opportunity and rationality (as opposed to prejudice) would suggest we use it.

BTW, I love DK, as a member of the US House of Representatives. As nice a guy as he is, I am quite sure he will never be President.

[Mari333]

97. k and frigging R

[ecstatic]

98. Delusional BS. K&U nt

[Subdivisions]

100. I was wondering how long it would take before this OP was targeted for Unrecommend. In fact,

go for it. At least then I won't have to know that a thread I posted that drew such vile responses is out in front of God and everybody. Embarrassing.

[Tierra_y_Libertad]

99. What a thought! A candidate to actually vote FOR!

Rather than the usual "not as bad as" stooges run by the bosses.

[LWolf]

101. So that's 2.

Don't forget Monsanto's boy Vilsack, the new Ag Sec.

DK has my support in anything takes on, including another presidential should he choose to do so. He's earned it.

[Subdivisions]

102. He's earned it. Word. n/t

[NeedleCast]

103. No

[WI_DEM]

104. Good luck, if you work hard maybe DK will move up to third place in the Ohio primary.

[NYCGirl]

108. Only if there are only three people on the ballot in Ohio.

And even then I wouldn't count on it.

[Individualist]

109. You certainly got the DLCers' panties in a wad with this post

:rofl:

[girl gone mad]

122. At least now we know how many of them are around.

Looks like about 33.

[Mari333]

110. there are a lot of reasons to vote Kucinich

and here are a few
LEGITIMATE LEFT ANGER



There has been a lot of left-wing teeth-gnashing over the policies of the United States' fake-progressive president Barack Obama. Left-progressives' anger with the Obama administration is understandable given the new White House's actions to (for example):



http://www.zcommunications.org/znet/viewArticle/21576

[Vidar]

111. Kucinich, Dean or Feingold.

[bvar22]

112. K&R for DK

The personal attacks on DK in this thread are irrelevant, and are examples of low information voters.
It is his POLICIES, LEADERSHIP, and COURAGE that I endorse.

Here is a shortened version of his presidential platform- also the issues he is fighting for in Congress...

1. US out of Iraq * 12 point plan
There is a compelling need for a new direction in Iraq, one that recognizes the plight of the people of Iraq, the false and illegal basis of the United States war against Iraq, the realities on the ground which make a military resolution of the conflict unrealistic and the urgent responsibility of the United States, which caused the chaos, to use the process of diplomacy and international law to achieve stability in Iraq, a process which will establish peace and stability in Iraq allow our troops to return home with dignity.

I am offering such a plan. This plan responds to the concerns of a majority of Americans. I will present this plan to leadership and members as the only viable alternative to the Bush Administration's policy of continued occupation and escalation. Congress must know that it cannot and must not stand by and watch our troops and innocent Iraqi civilians die.



2.Universal Health Care
We must establish streamlined national health insurance, "Enhanced Medicare for Everyone." It would be publicly financed health care, privately delivered, and will put patients and doctors back in control of the system. Coverage will be more complete than private insurance plans; encourage prevention; and include prescription drugs, dental care, mental health care, and alternative and complementary medicine.



3. Jobs and Withdrawal from NAFTA and WTO
I have a Jobs Plan that will put 2 million Americans back to work at a living wage in such enterprises as rebuilding schools, designing roads, refurbishing environmental projects, and manufacturing steel for water systems. The Kucinich jobs plan will also increase the quality of life in America, by making highways safer, water cleaner, and schools more conducive to learning.

Unless we cancel the WTO and pull out of NAFTA, corporations will continue to move jobs out of the country and produce goods in developing and third-world nations (with great costs to those countries' workers and environment). In order to buy American, we have to assure that goods are still being produced in America. That's why we must first cancel the WTO and pull out of NAFTA, which have lost us millions of jobs and spurred a soaring trade deficit.



4. Repeal the Patriot Act
Without a warrant or probable cause, the FBI can now search your private medical records or access your library records. Your doctor or local library is forbidden from notifying you when these searches take place. The government may search your home while you are away and in some cases even confiscate your property. Judicial oversight of these measures is virtually nonexistent. These are only a few of the PATRIOT Act's provisions that compromise our civil liberties.
I believe the only way to stop these unconstitutional infringements on basic American freedoms is to revoke the exorbitant powers the PATRIOT Act has granted the government. I voted against the PATRIOT Act. I am working to repeal it.



5. Guaranteed Quality Education, Pre-K Through College
The right of every American child to a high-quality free public education is one of America's most treasured principles. We must improve the quality of public education in those schools that are struggling and expand public education to include pre-kindergarten beginning at age 3 for any families that want it, as well as tuition-free college for millions of students.



6. Full Social Security Benefits at Age 65
My platform is centered upon a non-negotiable commitment to preserve Social Security against all assaults. I stand to return full Social Security benefits to senior citizens at age 65 -- a rollback from the present age of 67. In addition, I staunchly oppose all efforts to privatize Social Security, thus diverting payroll tax dollars into individual accounts. I am against raising the retirement age, against raising the cap on taxable wages, and against means-testing for benefits.
There is no question that America can afford to uphold its social compact with its senior citizens. The finances of the Social Security system are more secure now than ever. America is wealthier than at any previous point in Social Security's history, and the fund is solid through 2042 with no changes whatsoever.



7. Right-to-Choose
The fact is that most Americans, including myself, are uncomfortable with abortions and feel there are too many of them. At the same time, the vast majority of Americans recognize that there are circumstances in which a woman and her doctor should be allowed to make this most difficult decision without government intervention.

I have a plan to reduce abortions by encouraging family planning, including abstinance training, combined with a full economic and health care plan that would clearly alleviate the number of abortions.



8. Balance Between Workers and Corporations
Whenever there is an organizing campaign, a picket line to walk, jobs to save, working conditions to improve, laws to champion, I'm there. This is my purpose: To stand up and to speak out on behalf of those who have built this country and who want to rebuild this country. This is my passion: To raise up the rights of working people. Workers' rights are the key to protecting our democracy.

There can be no true corporate accountability unless corporations are accountable to workers. There can be no accountability to workers unless workers' rights are protected.



9. Environmental Renewal and Clean Energy
To repair the earth, America must lead. We must reverse course on most Bush Administration policies and support the Kyoto Treaty that Bush rejected. We must strengthen environmental laws and increase penalties on polluters. We should provide tax and other incentives to businesses that conserve energy, retrofit pollution prevention technologies, and redesign toxins out of their manufacturing processes. Nontoxic, safe substitutes for hazardous chemicals must become permanent.
I would initiate a "Global Green Deal" to use our country's leadership in sustainable energy production to provide jobs at home, increase our independence from foreign oil, and aid developing nations with cheap, dependable, renewable energy technologies like wind and solar. A clean environment, a sustainable economy, and an intact ozone layer are not luxuries, but necessities for our planet's future.


10. Restored Rural Communities and Family Farms
Initiate a major new program of investment in rural America, putting thousands to work rebuilding invaluable public assets such as schools, hospitals, libraries, swimming pools, and parks. Teachers, doctors, veterinarians, and other important service providers would be offered incentives to work in under-served areas.

Shift USDA funding and focus away from the promotion of concentrated intensive and industrial agribusiness. The new focus must benefit family farmers, rural communities, the environment, and consumers, with policies crafted to enable farmers to earn a fair price and to provide safe, nutritious food to all people.

I started to post only the portion that applied to the USDA (#10), but decided to post the whole platform as a reminder of what the Democratic Party SHOULD be.


”Unlike other candidates, I am not funded by those corporate interests.
I owe them no loyalty, and they have no influence over me or my policies.” ---Dennis Kucinich

[SidneyCarton]

114. The Republican 2012 Presidential Election Committee would like to thank you in advance

for your generous donation.

[Mari333]

119. they are thanking Obama now, too

think about it

[Common Sense Party]

116. I'm hearing directions in my mind that Dennis won't get the nomination. Ever.

"The smell of roses drew him out to my balcony where, when he looked up, he saw a gigantic triangular craft, silent, and observing him," she wrote. "It hovered, soundless, for 10 minutes or so, and sped away with a speed he couldn't comprehend. He said he felt a connection in his heart and heard directions in his mind."

[Individualist]

121. Quote Shirley McLaine much?

http://blog.cleveland.com/openers/2007/10/kucinich_see_ufo_new_book_clai.html

[Freddie Stubbs]

118. It will give plenty of more material for Conan O'Brien

[snooper2]

120. That should work about as well for you

As trying to prove a plane didn't hit the pentagon or crash in a field in PA

:rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl:

[LoZoccolo]

124. Unrecommend HA HA HA HA! n/t

[Kingofalldems]

125. IATDKBSU

In After The Dennis Kucinich Bashers Show Up. Damn I missed them. Fake Democrats again with their disrupting.

[saltpoint]

127. Love DK but see no pragmatic strategy that would result in his winning

the nomination.

[Renew Deal]

128. LMAO 2009

:rofl:

[HOLOS]

130. K&R

[RoccoR5955]

132. Kucinich/Sanders '12 Take Back America

That's my motto!

[bigwillq]

136. Now that's a ticket!

:bounce: :hi:

[HughMoran]

138. I like his political stances and how he stands firmly behind them

I wish a Romulan could be voted President. Perhaps now that Tuvok was elected President, maybe a Klingon will be next, but we're a long way from electing a Romulan to the WH.

:)

[DefenseLawyer]

142. We have a candidate.

Thanks anyway. I believe pieintheskygreenpartyloonunderground is looking for contributors. Best of luck at your new site.