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slipslidingaway (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jul-16-09 05:02 PM Original message |
They're Winning - Private insurance companies push for 'individual mandate' |
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glowing (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jul-16-09 05:08 PM Response to Original message |
1. Looks like they are advocating for single-payer themselves. |
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slipslidingaway (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jul-16-09 05:12 PM Response to Reply #1 |
6. My belief is that this reform will be crafted to keep them in the game |
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kath (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jul-16-09 11:23 PM Response to Reply #6 |
50. Yep, it will delay it for decades and decades. |
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slipslidingaway (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jul-16-09 05:08 PM Response to Original message |
2. The deal...November 2008... |
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Cerridwen (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jul-16-09 05:09 PM Response to Original message |
3. From page 2 - "If healthcare goes down this year,.. |
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slipslidingaway (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jul-16-09 05:10 PM Response to Reply #3 |
4. Thanks for the important addition and I happen to agree with him n/t |
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Cerridwen (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jul-16-09 05:13 PM Response to Reply #4 |
9. You're welcome. I added a wee bit more below. The last 4 paragraphs |
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slipslidingaway (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jul-16-09 05:27 PM Response to Reply #9 |
14. The real fears are that someone in power would push for |
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PM Martin (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jul-16-09 05:11 PM Response to Reply #3 |
5. How would that work? |
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Cerridwen (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jul-16-09 05:14 PM Response to Reply #5 |
10. See the final 4 paragraphs on page 3, please. |
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slipslidingaway (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jul-16-09 05:16 PM Response to Reply #5 |
11. People are waking up to the fact that insurance companies do |
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Uzybone (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jul-16-09 05:13 PM Response to Reply #3 |
8. Its an idiotic statement |
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slipslidingaway (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jul-16-09 05:18 PM Response to Reply #8 |
12. Why, if something is not done now, do you think the issue will just |
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Uzybone (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jul-16-09 05:32 PM Response to Reply #12 |
18. if it fails now, why does anyone think it will arise again and succeed in the near future? |
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Cerridwen (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jul-16-09 05:42 PM Response to Reply #18 |
21. Because people will still get sick and lose their insurance. |
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slipslidingaway (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jul-16-09 05:57 PM Response to Reply #18 |
31. I do not think it will take another 4-8 years, if this is defeated, the |
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Cerridwen (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jul-16-09 05:24 PM Response to Reply #8 |
13. Nope. If "we, the people" don't get health care reform this year |
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slipslidingaway (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jul-16-09 05:29 PM Response to Reply #13 |
15. Exactly, time allows more exposure to what the insurance companies |
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Cerridwen (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jul-16-09 05:32 PM Response to Reply #15 |
17. It also allows more time for bankruptcies and home loss and job loss. |
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slipslidingaway (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jul-16-09 05:53 PM Response to Reply #17 |
28. Unfortunately it does, but the public option will not be available |
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Cerridwen (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jul-16-09 06:10 PM Response to Reply #28 |
35. "not all doctors have to participate"... |
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slipslidingaway (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jul-16-09 06:22 PM Response to Reply #35 |
43. Could be, but then we have to remember that the situation could |
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ipaint (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jul-16-09 06:38 PM Response to Reply #43 |
46. We have a failed but in place model of the plan in Mass. |
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bobbolink (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jul-16-09 06:21 PM Response to Reply #13 |
42. On the other hand, if something REAL isn't done, the DEMS will most certainly lose power. |
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Cerridwen (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jul-16-09 06:32 PM Response to Reply #42 |
44. They have until the next election. |
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bobbolink (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jul-16-09 06:36 PM Response to Reply #44 |
45. The next election is a little over a year away, |
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Laelth (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jul-16-09 05:47 PM Response to Reply #3 |
25. Good. Let's make sure it goes down. n/t |
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Cerridwen (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jul-16-09 05:50 PM Response to Reply #25 |
27. I think you just spoke sacrilege . |
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Laelth (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jul-16-09 05:56 PM Response to Reply #27 |
30. So long as the progressive caucus opposes the bill, I have cover. |
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Cerridwen (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jul-16-09 06:03 PM Response to Reply #30 |
33. Good points, all. |
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Cerridwen (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jul-16-09 05:12 PM Response to Original message |
7. From page 3 - "They are interested in 45 million new customers," |
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ipaint (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jul-16-09 05:36 PM Response to Reply #7 |
19. Wow |
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Cerridwen (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jul-16-09 05:38 PM Response to Reply #19 |
20. "Do we really have the upper hand and just not realize it?" |
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slipslidingaway (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jul-16-09 05:46 PM Response to Reply #19 |
24. I think we do, for now they have successfully channeled the anger to support |
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ipaint (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jul-16-09 05:44 PM Response to Reply #7 |
23. the last 4 paragraphs |
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Cerridwen (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jul-16-09 05:48 PM Response to Reply #23 |
26. You just said in 2 sentences, what the insurance industry is afraid will happen. |
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ipaint (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jul-16-09 05:55 PM Response to Reply #26 |
29. Thanks for posting that link, slipslidingaway |
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slipslidingaway (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jul-16-09 09:07 PM Response to Reply #29 |
49. YW, my fear as well is that the public option plan could easily |
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juno jones (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jul-16-09 06:52 PM Response to Reply #23 |
47. I'm with ya. |
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quidam56 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jul-16-09 05:30 PM Response to Original message |
16. They prefer us dead- no chance they will have to pay for any quality health care |
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slipslidingaway (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jul-16-09 05:42 PM Response to Reply #16 |
22. They say they care about people, but they really care more about |
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RufusTFirefly (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jul-16-09 06:08 PM Response to Reply #22 |
34. The insurance industry is concerned about being profitable and meeting shareholders' needs... |
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slipslidingaway (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jul-16-09 06:14 PM Response to Reply #34 |
37. Exactly, in business to make profits, fiduciary responsibility to shareholders... |
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canetoad (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jul-16-09 06:02 PM Response to Original message |
32. This got me wondering |
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slipslidingaway (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jul-16-09 06:17 PM Response to Reply #32 |
38. Scary, a new line of business :( hope that never happens and |
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abumbyanyothername (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jul-16-09 06:10 PM Response to Original message |
36. Why is a single payer widely viewed as unfeasible? |
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ipaint (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jul-16-09 06:19 PM Response to Reply #36 |
40. We've all been conditioned to believe |
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RufusTFirefly (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jul-16-09 06:19 PM Response to Reply #36 |
41. "Unfeasible" single-payer is like "unelectable" candidates |
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Kansas Wyatt (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jul-16-09 06:17 PM Response to Original message |
39. If people thought the Bush Medicare Prescription Plan was a giveaway.... |
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slipslidingaway (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jul-16-09 08:50 PM Response to Reply #39 |
48. If the public option does not take off and people are mandated to buy |
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kath (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jul-16-09 11:24 PM Response to Reply #39 |
51. +100... |
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Rex (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jul-16-09 11:47 PM Response to Original message |
52. Sure, that will work. |
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Laelth (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jul-17-09 12:08 AM Response to Reply #52 |
54. Didn't you get the memo? |
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slipslidingaway (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jul-17-09 12:35 AM Response to Reply #52 |
55. And if you cannot pay, maybe you'll get a waiver. n/t |
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Rex (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jul-17-09 12:35 AM Response to Reply #55 |
56. Maybe. |
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slipslidingaway (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jul-17-09 12:51 AM Response to Reply #56 |
58. Unfortunately it does not give you access to care.... |
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ibegurpard (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jul-16-09 11:50 PM Response to Original message |
53. K & R |
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slipslidingaway (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jul-17-09 12:37 AM Response to Reply #53 |
57. Thank you :) n/t |
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chill_wind (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jul-17-09 02:40 AM Response to Original message |
59. K & R. |
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slipslidingaway (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jul-18-09 11:42 AM Response to Reply #59 |
61. Thanks :) n/t |
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Solly Mack (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jul-17-09 03:47 AM Response to Original message |
60. K&R |
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slipslidingaway (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jul-18-09 11:43 AM Response to Reply #60 |
62. Thank you :) n/t |
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