D is for Deception

[SHRED]

The "R & D" Oligarchy.

The Republicans will tell you straight up — we’re for big business.

Single payer is socialism.

And that’s why we’re against single payer.

When the Democrats are out of power, they will tell you what you want to hear — we’re for single payer.

They then take power, and all of a sudden, they are against single payer.

Take Henry Waxman (D-California) as a case in point.

For years, Henry Waxman was a co-sponsor of HR 676 — the single payer bill in the House.

Until earlier this year, when he became part of the leadership in the House.

Then Waxman took his name off the single payer bill.

In 2003, Barack Obama said he was for single payer.

Obama said at the time that we would have single payer in America only when the Democrats took back the White House and Congress.

Last year, Obama and the Democrats took back the White House and Congress.

And now President Obama is opposed to single payer.

http://www.singlepayeraction.org/blog/?p=1168

[Echo In Light]

1. Politicians lie. Suckers believe them.

[mmonk]

2. Something is screwy. I hit recommend and it went negative.

[elehhhhna]

10. sounds like the results so far of my Nov 11th vote

[Amos Moses]

15. ...

:rofl:

[mmonk]

20. Sounds like mine since 2006.

[PretzelWarrior]

22. I've also hit recommend and have a post get 3 more recommends. CONSPIRACY!

or others are registering their opinions almost exactly at the same time you are. In which case more than a couple disagreed with the post while you were agreeing.

[mmonk]

26. I did not claim conspiracy.

Only that when I hit recommend, it went <0 immediately (it was at 0). I hit it pretty quick and posted afterward which was the second post. People must have been ready and poised I guess.

[jgraz]

31. The Unrecommenderpants Gnomes strike again

Step 1: Run around unrecommending any post critical of Democrats

Step 2: ?

Step 3: PROFIT

[Laelth]

3. That is disappointingly accurate. n/t

:dem:

-Laelth

[Orwellian_Ghost]

4. Integral components

of the same political system.

[SemiCharmedQuark]

5. That timeline is wrong...Obama was against single payer before he took the WH.

Why isn't that enough? Why does the blog entry need to make it more insidious than it already is?

[SHRED]

6. No he wasn't

There is a youtube that proves otherwise

[SemiCharmedQuark]

7. He ran on a platform for single payer during the election?

Because I recall that while he said it was the best system if we were starting from scratch, his plan was not single payer. Or some such thing.

[hfojvt]

9. He must have

Can't you read? Or are you just floating on a river in Egypt?

Get with the program. The only way we will get single payer is over the dead body of the Democratic Party.

[RaleighNCDUer]

16. Yes, he was. He was against single payer during the election. He

never campaigned with single-payer in his platform.

He was FOR single payer YEARS before the election, but it was not a position he claimed in a very long time.

[EFerrari]

18. That's right. He changed his line to health care for all Americans. n/t

[scheming daemons]

19. No... he argued AGAINST single-payer throughout the campaign

Jesus... in debates with Hillary, he made comment after comment that he was NOT for single-payer.


Some people just don't pay attention.

[hfojvt]

8. I guess we better vote R then

at least they are honest, just like they always said.

"Republicans will tell you straight up - we're for big business."

Really? Are you sure? Because I could have sworn that George W. Bush said he was a 'compassionate conservative' and that his tax cuts were for ordinary working people.

I must be getting old. I am starting to forget things that happened just 8 years ago.

[Amos Moses]

11. Binary Fallacy

"Democratic loyalists are acting as though the Republican demise is an accomplishment on their part. It is as though their understated -- but very complicit -- support of the Republican policies of empire and wealth transfer to the ultra wealthy will go unnoticed."

http://www.scoop.co.nz/stories/HL0906/S00063.htm

[EFerrari]

17. Where is the fallacy?

[Amos Moses]

21. from the article

"The binary fallacy is the crude dialectic that assumes that the two political parties are the only choices for voters and that what's bad for one party will always be good for the other".

[EFerrari]

24. Oh, I see. Of course it is. n/t

[Amos Moses]

25. That's exactly what I was thinking.

:fistbump:

[EFerrari]

27. Damn, I just get slower every day.

lol

:hi:

[Amos Moses]

30. I know what you mean.

:hurts:

[SHRED]

28. great link...thanks

[dhpgetsit]

12. It's not the Rs and the Ds.

It's the damn corporations! We somehow have to break their filthy grip on Washington and send them packing!

[Hannah Bell]

13. they own the country. you just live on the plantation, where you have the right to compete

to be field worker or house worker (house workers get more perks & get to give themselves airs).

[Echo In Light]

14. Yes. The corporations OWN our Reps, yet people continue on w/contrary fairytale beliefs. Bizarre-o

...to say the least.

[GeorgeGist]

23. Henry's political health can't survive ...

on a single payer.

[Orwellian_Ghost]

29. Grand Illusion: The Myth of Voter Choice in a Two-Party Tyranny

Grand Illusion: The Myth of Voter Choice in a Two-Party Tyranny

http://www.alternet.org/rights/140493/grand_illusion:_the_myth_of_voter_choice_in_a_two-party_tyranny/?comments=view&cID=1257931&pID=1255284

[lunatica]

32. Do you want it mean and brutal or would you prefer it with flowers?

That's about how it is.

[Time for change]

33. Obama never advocated single payer during the campaign or at any other time

He advocated a public health care insurance option for anyone who wanted it. The only major party presidential candidate who advocated single payer health care was Kucinich.

[dolphindance]

34. Well if that's how you feel, then kindly leave Democratic Underground to us suckers.

We'll do just fine without you.