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MoonRiver (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jul-20-09 02:16 PM Original message |
I don't think we can have meaningful health care reform until we rid ourselves of lobbyist |
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billyoc (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jul-20-09 02:18 PM Response to Original message |
1. So, never, then. Lobbyists are specifically protected by the Constitution. |
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MoonRiver (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jul-20-09 02:19 PM Response to Reply #1 |
2. Then maybe we need a constitutional amendment. |
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billyoc (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jul-20-09 02:24 PM Response to Reply #2 |
5. A constitutional amendment? In THIS country? |
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MoonRiver (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jul-20-09 02:27 PM Response to Reply #5 |
8. If things get bad enough, which I believe they will be if Obama can't enact health care reform, |
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billyoc (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jul-20-09 02:34 PM Response to Reply #8 |
11. It will definitely never be a possibility. 2/3 majority in both houses and 3/5 of the states. |
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timeforpeace (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jul-20-09 03:51 PM Response to Reply #11 |
15. Funny. And true. |
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DJ13 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jul-20-09 02:20 PM Response to Reply #1 |
3. Lobbyists may be protected |
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MoonRiver (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jul-20-09 02:21 PM Response to Reply #3 |
4. But you have to get around them, and all the legislators who are beholden to them, |
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billyoc (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jul-20-09 02:25 PM Response to Reply #3 |
6. Ah, there's the rub. They wouldn't be neutered, but YOUR lobbyists would have just as much clout. |
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DJ13 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jul-20-09 02:32 PM Response to Reply #6 |
10. They would be neutered |
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billyoc (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jul-20-09 02:35 PM Response to Reply #10 |
12. We're mixing campaign financing and lobbying here. An easy trap to fall into, |
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DJ13 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jul-20-09 02:41 PM Response to Reply #12 |
13. Its not a trap, its the real state of our political system today |
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billyoc (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jul-20-09 06:56 PM Response to Reply #13 |
23. Amen. Anti-trust violations, too. |
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crickets (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jul-20-09 05:18 PM Response to Reply #10 |
16. ^THIS |
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Towlie (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jul-20-09 02:54 PM Response to Reply #1 |
14. No, lobbyists are not protected by the Constitution. |
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crickets (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jul-20-09 05:21 PM Response to Reply #14 |
17. It wouldn't be such a problem if the 'right to petition' didn't allow money to do the talking. -nt |
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billyoc (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jul-20-09 06:54 PM Response to Reply #14 |
22. Here in America, Inc., corporations certainly ARE the people, the USSC made that settled law. |
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malletgirl02 (938 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jul-20-09 02:25 PM Response to Original message |
7. Will Never happen |
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BlooInBloo (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jul-20-09 02:30 PM Response to Original message |
9. Or maybe it'll be the other way 'round. |
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HiFructosePronSyrup (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jul-20-09 05:22 PM Response to Original message |
18. Not a fan of the first amendment, eh? |
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Towlie (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jul-20-09 05:36 PM Response to Reply #18 |
19. The 1st Amendment does NOT grant a right to corporations to petition for a redress of grievances. |
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HiFructosePronSyrup (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jul-20-09 05:49 PM Response to Reply #19 |
20. Sure it does. |
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spin (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jul-20-09 06:46 PM Response to Original message |
21. Well if we don't get real heathcare reform.... |
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sarcasmo (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jul-20-09 07:03 PM Response to Original message |
24. Kick back to the top, Big Pharma Lobbyists own two thirds of the Beltway. |
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MoonRiver (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jul-20-09 07:46 PM Response to Reply #24 |
25. I obviously agree |
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donheld (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jul-20-09 10:32 PM Response to Original message |
26. We'll never have a meaningful anything till we get rid of the lobbyists |
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