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Hawkeye-X Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-10-07 10:57 PM
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So I had dinner with my parents... (George Soros)
My mom is quite liberal, but it's my dad that's kinda conservative and watches Faux and listen to right-wing radio (I'm deaf, so I'm immune to bullshit), so my dad tells me that George Soros is anti-Israel. I said how can George Soros be anti-Israel and Jewish at the same time?

I also commented that Dennis Prager is a right-wing tool. (I know he likes to listen to that asshole, and he once met him in a symposium at a local synagogue)

So, can I counter this argument, or is it true?

hawkeye-X
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Robbien Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-10-07 11:01 PM
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1. Soros does not agree with the rabid right wing AIPAC
and fauxnews and AIPAC therefore says Soros is anti-Israel.

AIPAC does not speak for Israel just like the GOP does not speak for the USA.
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Cleita Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-10-07 11:30 PM
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7. Good way of putting it and pretty much along the lines that
my liberal Jewish friends feel about their love of Israel and disdain for those rabid right wing factions.
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northzax Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-10-07 11:07 PM
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2. you can, in fact, be Jewish and anti-Israel
not that I am saying Soros is, simply point out that Judaism is a religion, and Israel is a country. completely different things.

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NormanYorkstein Donating Member (762 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-10-07 11:12 PM
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3. Soros calls himself a Zionist
in fact he's called himself something like an "ultra zionist". You can be Jewish and anti-Israel but Soros is not anti-Israel.
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sicksicksick_N_tired Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-10-07 11:29 PM
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6. I am interested in the resource providing such information.
I am also curious what you (and the resource or resources) define as a "Zionist".

In my experience, Mr. Soros is, NOW, fundamentally, a humanitarian. He arrived at his humanitarianism after his life in capitalism. Unlike most capitalists/corporacrats, he has had and still proactively asserts a sincere interest and huge investment in empowering ALL people.
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NormanYorkstein Donating Member (762 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-10-07 11:46 PM
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8. There was an interview from Soros
don't remember in what magazine. Soros talked about his financial career, his ideas of getting into politics (this was 98/99 or thereabouts), and other issues. He specifically referred to himself as a "Zionist" and even made a snarky comment about how he is an "international zionist conspirator" or something like that. He's not anti-Israel in the least.

As to how Soros personally defines "zionist" I have no idea :shrug:
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sicksicksick_N_tired Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-10-07 11:53 PM
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9. That is,...simply too non-specific.
Ever heard the expression, "a little knowledge can be dangerous"?

Perhaps, if you are sincerely interested in knowing this man rather than exercising "a little knowledge" to reach judgment about him, you will at least do a little independent research on his life works over the years.

I provide a link, below.

Mr. Soros deserves a fortitude of respect for the humanitarian work he has done over the years. I know NO other capitalist, former or otherwise, investing so much of their money and life into empowering people.
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NormanYorkstein Donating Member (762 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-11-07 12:55 AM
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11. I don't understand your point?
I was not criticizing Soros nor praising him, nor was I interpreting or making a judgment about him. I just read an interview that's all. The OP asked if Soros was anti-Israel, and I responded that I don't think he's anti-Israel, he called himself a "zionist" and I'm pretty sure that implies pro-Israel.
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InternalDialogue Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-11-07 12:03 AM
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10. You're in luck! Mr. Soros is pretty clear in the 4/12/07 NY Review of Books
On Israel, America and AIPAC

By George Soros

"I am not a Zionist, nor am I am a practicing Jew, but I have a great deal of sympathy for my fellow Jews and a deep concern for the survival of Israel"


http://www.nybooks.com/articles/20030

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NormanYorkstein Donating Member (762 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-11-07 12:58 AM
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12. I guess he's changed
I read an interview by him and he clearly said he was zionist. As far as I know all he meant was he was pro-Israel which is *hardly* some controversial opinion.
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countmyvote4real Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-10-07 11:14 PM
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4. The truth that you know is just that.
You feel it in your heart and soul. You know you are on the right side of any issue. And they do, too.

Arm yourself with facts before you ever consider the confrontation. The facts will be denied, so get them from as many places as possible.
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sicksicksick_N_tired Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-10-07 11:21 PM
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5. You may want to check out his non-prof organization.
Give me a minute, here.

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Here is the link: http://www.soros.org/

Frankly, the basics of his concept of a democratic society are as close to my own as any organization.

What he disagrees (strongly, I might add) with is the aggressive, 'above-the-law' policies of the Israeli government,...he disagrees with this administration on the same basis.

I most admire Soros for taking his wealth to do everything possible to help humanity. He has returned to the roots of his own fathers' passions, in many ways. If I could live my life as I pleased, I'd choose a path similar to Soros.
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