Can someone please provide a LINK to credible source re organized town hall "disruptions?"

[Echo In Light]

A quick Google search only yields video clips of Rachel Maddow. I'm not looking for that so much as an actual website that breaks it all down re who is organizing what and where. Thanks!

[babylonsister]

1. Try this:

http://recessrally.com/

Many of the original groups behind TaxDayTeaParty.com are joining together for the Nationwide Recess Rally. This is a collaborative effort to make it known that we will not stand for socialized, government controlled healthcare.

[Heidi]

2. Self-delete. Misunderstood your request. (nt)

[tekisui]

3. One more, about the memo:

http://www.beyondchron.org/articles/Memo_Details_Co_ordinated_Anti_Reform_Harrassment_Strategy_7209.html

[Echo In Light]

4. Thank you thank you!

You know how it goes in attempting to show right-wingers these things...so simply posting a clip of Rachel Maddow or Keith is all too easy for them to simply dismiss out of hand as an illegitimate source - the favored tactic of "conspiracy" deniers everywhere lol

[notesdev]

5. For what purpose?

These protests aren't fake - the Democratic Party is scaring the fuck out of the middle-of-the-roaders and is stoking the opposition of the normally unaligned.

Democrat officeholders were not elected to completely overhaul health care (or to implement cap & trade). Anyone who believes that is deluding themselves. What they were elected to do (fix the economy, get out of foreign wars, roll back corruption) is not being done.

Those who see being in power as the chance to implement what we want rather than the responsibility to do what we got elected to do are very quickly ensuring a 2010 wipeout, 1994 style.

[boobooday]

7. I was voting for health care. n/t

[notesdev]

10. That's fine

but that's not what got Democrats a majority.

This country doesn't trust its politicians - with extremely good reason - and that didn't change when the GOP was thrown out of office.

This country doesn't want a 'reform' bill that gets written on the desks of pharma companies and passed by legislators who don't bother to read the laws they are passing.

This is the express route to being back in the minority. I don't want to see that happen, and as a result I am not at all happy at seeing this "we're going to pass what we want by force" policy that has rapidly become the latest fashion.

[depakid]

11. You must not read the poll results very well

Nor understand the seriousness of the situation with health care.

[notesdev]

14. Let's talk about that

Regarding polls... I'm not sure what numbers you're looking at, but the numbers I look at show that Obama's approval has been plummeting, almost precisely coincident with this new health care initiative push; a Congressional approval that barely exceeds the single digits; and a strong emphasis on economic reform first, and government ethics/corruption second. Health care ranks fairly high on the importance list but is split virtually down the middle between the opposing sides; there is no agreement. This is to say nothing of the practical problem that trying to fix health care while the economy is still a robber baron's paradise poses.

I'm sure the numbers looked pretty good for Hillary too - remember, she and her husband were quite famously poll-driven - when she embarked on her quest that almost single-handedly destroyed the Democratic majority of 1992.

[DeltaLitProf]

30. I don't think you're wrong notesdev . . .

. . . but too few chances like this one occur in American history. We've got to do what we can to press the Democrats in power toward a just health care reform. If we dont, we'll look back and wonder why we didn't.

[notesdev]

31. The chance isn't there

unless and until the business that Democrats were put in office to take care of gets taken care of.

If that doesn't happen, not enough people will trust the government to make changes in any other major area.

Democrats were not elected on their own virtues; they were elected because they were the other choice on the ballot for an angry electorate with long knives out for the GOP. The mandate given was to do things that are not being done.

If the party chooses to ignore its mandate in favor of its preferences, it will lose big.

Maybe there's not a prayer that anything but short-term thinking will win the day; in that case, I'm writing this down now so I can point to it later and say "I told you so", for what little comfort that will bring then, to know I wasn't silent when this crowd of lemmings insisted on charging off the cliff.

[depakid]

33. Every poll that's come out over the past several years shows huge support for healthcare reform

and lists it as a top priority.

And your statement about "plummeting approval ratings is hogwash- just a corporate media talking point- like most of what was written in the above posts. 58% at last glance- hardly cratering.

Fact is- the current system with its double digit premium increases is a bankruptcy machine- not to mention the fact that it plugs billions of dollars into denying care. That can't continue without dire consequences- and despite the sorry shape of the media, the vast majority know that.

[tekisui]

8. I voted, in part, for health care reform,, as did many.

[hileeopnyn8d]

26. I've been

voting, in part, for healthcare (reform) for a very, very long time.

[Bandit]

32. I think you don't understand Democrats very well

Health Care Reform was the TOP issue of Obama and every single Democrat that ran. It has been a TOP issue for forty years. Since the MANDATE was so very large this is the time to do it..That is exactly why they were elected..

[Hannah Bell]

34. yes they're fake. though some deluded folks may participate without

knowing they're fake.

[babylonsister]

6. One more, about the memo:

http://thinkprogress.org/2009/07/31/recess-harassment-memo/

[Raspberry]

13. Read this analysis

http://www.weeklystandard.com/weblogs/TWSFP/2009/08/think_progress_msnbc_manufactu.asp#email

Yeah, I know, the "source" and all that. However, I think it is possible that Think Progress has distorted some stuff about the original memo and its author, and that it does our side NO GOOD to dismiss the opposition as fringe lunatics, astroturfers, etc. There are real people out there who genuinely oppose healthcare reform, and their concerns MUST be addressed, or there will be hell to pay in 2010.

[babylonsister]

15. They're nuckin' futz. They have no arguments to express themselves,

they are there to shut down dialogue, period. When you have people screaming they don't want the government involved in their Medicare, that exactly proves their level of intelligence and discourse, or lack thereof.

They're getting marching orders from people like Beck, Limbaugh, Freedomworks, and going for it without considering that they just might be rebelling against a plan that would work in their best interests.

And that source is not worth clicking on.

[Raspberry]

17. I see.

You didn't read it. You aren't even willing to consider the possibility that YOUR sources may be a little biased.

Hope you like the new Republican Congress you're going to get stuck with in 2010. Because that is what is going to happen unless we take these people seriously.

[babylonsister]

20. When they approach one of these town halls seriously, when they

have an intelligent argument about health care reform and it's pros and cons, let me know.

I haven't seen one person even attempt that. They're there solely to obstruct.

[tekisui]

21. That is hilarious! You think the repukes will regain a majority in

Congress in 2010! That is funny. They may pick up a few seats, but they will not reclaim the majority. Bookmark it.

You think ThinkProgress is biased? hmmmmm....

[Raspberry]

24. I bet Bill Clinton didn't foresee

what his healthcare plan would do to him in 1994, either.

Obama, a VERY popular president, will not be on the ballot in 2010. Instead, it will be mostly middle-aged white guys. (Like it or not, that will be the reality.) Without Obama, college kids probably won't be bothered to get out and vote any more than they have historically, and probably neither will the African-American voters. The ones who definitely WILL be out, will be the angry mobs that are packing town hall meetings, and flooding the Internet and RW talk radio shows.

And, BTW, you DON'T think ThinkProgress is a little biased??

[tekisui]

25. ThinkProgress is a progressive site, biased towards truth

in journalism.

[Echo In Light]

27. Rightward leaning moderates always insists there is equal balance between left/right

[tekisui]

28. Yeah. Righties say, I know my news source lies, so yours must too!

[Echo In Light]

29. It's intended to obscure the fact that there is NO Left view in U.S. mainstream discourse

Which is why the moderate example is so cherished and preferred: it appeases the Right, is always in deference to its aims. That way, even a moderate Dem idea can be successfully painted as far Left, even though it's to-the-right-of-center. It's a thought control-framing stratagem for the corporate/state nexus that runs this oligarchy. It establishes this far, and no further.

[rhett o rick]

37. Your side has no plan sir. Nothing but disruption. We should use the Patriot Act to shut

your sideshow down. Round up all the disrupters, charge them with disturbing the public like what your hero idiot bush* did, and put them in prison.

[rhett o rick]

36. Take them seriously? They have no ideas, just disrupt like their masters tell them.

They are drones. They should be tased and jailed. Your side has no plan. For 8 years bush* let the health insurance and big pharma screw the middle class, and now we want it to stop. And you want the status quo. You have no morals.

[Echo In Light]

23. They're strategically silencing debate, and then yell foul when called on it.

And you can bank on none of these people ever uttering one word of protest re the annual trillion + dollars spent on the almighty War Machine. They only become enraged when the matter concerns actually putting people over profits.

[tekisui]

16. They are fringe lunatics. They have been duped into being

afraid. Their 'concerns' need not be addressed, but they should be educated. If job numbers keep improving there will be no hell to pay, regardless of the health insurance reform that will happen.

[Raspberry]

18. You're not going to be able to educate them

And the job numbers DIDN'T improve. They just declined by less than expected. That's still a lot of people without jobs, and only a little more than a year til the election.

[tekisui]

19. The job numbers indicate a "stopping of the bleeding".

The jobs are the lagging indicator, and will get much better by next summer.

You are probably right about the inability to educate those idiots. We don't need them on board, so we can ignore them.

[rhett o rick]

38. Your side sir, is a small band of lunitics. That's what you've aligned yourself with.

You will have to live with that. You sir, are neither moral nor a Christian. People are dying from not having adequate health insurance and you support big money insurance. Shame on you.

[rhett o rick]

39. Your post confuses me sir. You quote the weakly standard yet claim to be on our side.

Every post you submit counters progressive ideals. You stick up for the disrupters. I am curious if you are on the payroll of some rightwingnut organization. I certainly hope so. Helps the economy.

[Stephanie]

9. FreedomWorks

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=389x6254313

[MaDmOnKyKungFu]

12. Tampa Townhall Meeting

here is a town hall meeting where the doors were locked and the democrats were seated, Maddow played it with the sound down next to a fellow pimping his book accusing christians of being nazi's


http://www.970wfla.com/cc-common/news/sections/newsarticle.html?feed=124415&article=5845799

[blogslut]

22. Welcome to DU

You might want to read the story that you posted the link to. The facility was at capacity. Shall we also defy fire safety codes so a bunch of bussed in astroturfers can throw hissy fits?

[salin]

35. enjoy your stay

[lonestarnot]

40. Here you go.

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=389&topic_id=6258333&mesg_id=6258333