BREAKING: CNN reporting Dems going it ALONE on health care!

[Stephanie]

From DailyKos:

BREAKING: CNN reporting Dems going it ALONE on health care!
by Drdemocrat

CNN is reporting that White House/Congressional Democrats are planning on going it alone on health care reform! According to CNN, the White House and the Democratic Congress have been discussing this privately for awhile and decided that enough is enough.

This is going to be one HELL of a fight. We are going to NEED every DAMN Democrat/progressive in this fight folks.

Ready your battle stations!

http://www.nytimes.com/2009/08/19/health/policy/19repubs.html?_r=3&hp

UPDATE: (I wonder if Bill Clinton had something to do with this. Obama had spent time with Bill Clinton in the Situation Room just on North Korea. Then after that he had Bill Clinton meet him in the Oval Room. I wonder if Bill Clinton basically told Obama that it is now or NEVER. You have 60 Democratic Senators and you are going to have to ram this through).

Drdemocrat's diary :: ::
Dems considering pushing through health care reform without GOP support.

Both the White House and the Democrats in the Congress are deciding to go this alone.

This has been decided because of comments from Senator Kyle and Senator Grassley made it VERY CLEAR that Republicans really didn't want to participate with Democrats in crafting a health care reform bill.

According to CNN, one of the reasons why the Obama administration said what they said about the public option being "optional" this weekend was to see if they could get some of the moderate GOP and moderate Democrats on board. But apparently according to CNN, the GOP made it clear today to White House and the Democrats that they weren't going to participate in Health care reform.

The White House/Democrats will decide to pull the trigger in mid-September.

Remember September 15th is the date.

==more at link==

From the NY Times:

Democrats Seem Set to Go Alone on a Health Bill
By CARL HULSE and JEFF ZELENY
Published: August 18, 2009

WASHINGTON — Given hardening Republican opposition to Congressional health care proposals, Democrats now say they see little chance of the minority’s cooperation in approving any overhaul, and are increasingly focused on drawing support for a final plan from within their own ranks.

Top Democrats said Tuesday that their go-it-alone view was being shaped by what they saw as Republicans’ purposely strident tone against health care legislation during this month’s Congressional recess, as well as remarks by leading Republicans that current proposals were flawed beyond repair.

==more==

Also frontpaged now at HuffPost

[mix]

1. I am suddenly interested.

And I plan to get involved here in NM.

[wroberts189]

71. Yes.. interesting development indeed. nt

[bjobotts]

94. House progressives are the only ones standing for the people's interests

[bjobotts]

96. The WH only used "public option" to generate funds from the HC profiteers.

[bjobotts]

97. Watch how they'll go after Progressives and not Blue dogs as killing reform

[bjobotts]

98. If you haven't read Glenn Greenwald's post today you don't know what is really going on

[bjobotts]

99. But house progressives, thanks to FDL's video campaign, may get us real reform

[bjobotts]

100. $150,000 raised so far to encourage House progressives to stand their ground

[bjobotts]

101. Real reform depends on their actions so go to FDL and donate to them

[bjobotts]

102. Here is the sum up of Greenwald's post which blew me away:

"...The attempt to attract GOP support was the pretext which Democrats used to compromise continuously and water down the bill.  But -- given the impossibility of achieving that goal -- isn't it fairly obvious that a desire for GOP support wasn't really the reason the Democrats were constantly watering down their own bill?  Given the White House's central role in negotiating a secret deal with the pharmaceutical industry, its betrayal of Obama's clear promise to conduct negotiations out in the open (on C-SPAN no less), Rahm's protection of Blue Dogs and accompanying attacks on progressives, and the complete lack of any pressure exerted on allegedly obstructionists "centrists," it seems rather clear that the bill has been watered down, and the "public option" jettisoned, because that's the bill they want -- this was the plan all along.  

The Obama White House isn't sitting impotently by while Democratic Senators shove a bad bill down its throat.  This is the bill because this is the bill which Democratic leaders are happy to have.  It's the bill they believe in.  As important, by giving the insurance and pharmaceutical industries most everything they want, it ensures that the GOP doesn't become the repository for the largesse of those industries (and, converesly, that the Democratic Party retains that status).
This is how things always work.  The industry interests which own and control our government always get their way.  When is the last time they didn't?  The "public option" was something that was designed to excite and placate progressives (who gave up from the start on a single-payer approach) -- and the vast, vast majority of progressives (all but the most loyal Obama supporters) who are invested in this issue have been emphatic about how central a public option is to their support for health care reform.  But it seems clear that the White House and key Democrats were always planning on negotiating it away in exchange for industry support.  Isn't that how it always works in Washington?  No matter how many Democrats are elected, no matter which party controls the levers of government, the same set of narrow monied interests and right-wing values dictate outcomes, even if it means running roughshod over the interests of ordinary citizens (securing lower costs and expanding coverage) and/or what large majorities want..."
* * * * *

Go to [e-mail] and read the whole thing because at this point in the article Glenn explains what we can do about this and why it is so important if we want reform...as well as why this will help stop the power flow in congress making progressives more powerful at long last. Well worth the read...I've seen no keen insights like this on this issue thus far... so check it out.

[Eric J in MN]

2. This is consistent with what Senator Charles Schumer (D-NY) said earlier this month.

=====================

http://online.wsj.com/article/BT-CO-20090803-716816.html

Schumer, on a conference call with reporters, indicated that Democratic leaders are actively exploring options to pass the health bill that wouldn't require Republican votes. He pointed specifically to budget reconciliation, a parliamentary tactic that would allow passage of a bill with a simple majority, rather than the 60 votes generally required in the Senate.

Reconciliation is "clearly one of the contingencies on the table," Schumer said. "We want to get a bipartisan agreement, but if we don't, it's not going to stop us from moving forward with health care."

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[EvolveOrConvolve]

114. A Budget Reconciliation maneuver is our best hope

With it, we can tell the asshole conservative Dems and republicans to blow it out there ass.

[kenny blankenship]

3. Now THIS I could follow and support.

Don't walk this back because I'll be right behind you with steel toed boots.

[spanone]

4. it's about damned time

[Cha]

14. Some things need the right

timing..especially important issues when so many are against it.

[HughMoran]

5. It's time to drop the gauntlet

The Republicans don't want to participate in history again. Fine. Fuck 'em.

[bdamomma]

77. they are keeping to their oath, the PARTY OF NO.

[Canuckistanian]

6. Can you spot the flaw in this article?

There isn't ONE quote from a Dem Congressman or Senator.

Instead, there are several quotes from Grassley, Kyl or Cantor and a mention of Olympia Snowe.

Are Dems mum on this?

[MessiahRp]

9. Great point and I noticed that too... seems like a set up...

Plus I don't just want to support any health care reform... remember it's not just Republicans that are fucking this whole thing up. Baucus and Conrad are as big of obstacles or maybe bigger than Kyle or Grassley.

Rp

[me b zola]

64. President Obama is being call weak in the media

IMO, the pres is going to put the screws to "Dems" that are blocking the public option. This will define his presidency, and President Obama is no loser. If I am wrong, I will publicly flog myself.

Now I have to call and write to congress critters--again--to keep the pressure up.

[redqueen]

16. And Kucinich just declared that the public option was dead.

Hm.

[progressoid]

20. It most likely still is.

It's certainly not a given that Democrats will agree on the public option

[Canuckistanian]

21. WHERE are Pelosi and Reid on this?

So far, we've got Republicans, the White House and Dennis Kucinich weighing in on this.

But not a single word from the "LEADERS"

What's going on here?

[redqueen]

60. Not sure about Pelosi... but I'm sure Reid is hoping to duck any scrutiny.

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_topic&forum=389&topic_id=6336281

[Canuckistanian]

78. Oh, yes.

I'm guessing Harry is keeping a low profile today.

[bdamomma]

79. what is Kucinich's opinion about this whole healthcare issue?

[Fire1]

87. Yeah. Didn't I just read a dozen or so threads about

the almighty "Kuch" and his declaration????? Hm, is right.

[anigbrowl]

30. That suits me just fine

This is one issue where I would be perfectly happy for congressional Dems to STFU and do what the White House wants, without fighting over the credit.

[The Wielding Truth]

7. Stand up for what is best . We can do it! Don't stop until we get it!

We are so over being pushed around!

[sagetea]

8. knr

:kick:

[graywarrior]

10. My depression just lifted a little bit.

[titoresque]

24. Me too

:fistbump:

[OffWithTheirHeads]

51. Me three! I've been in a real funk lately

Lost my job cause no one is building anything cause the bankers stole all the money and it seemed that I was losing my country to the corporate fascists as well. Maybe the Dem's will finally figure out that there is NO bipartisan option and will finally grow a pair. I will be calling my reps tomorrow to encourage this type of behavior.

[Beartracks]

92. Yes - PUBLIC Option, not BIPARTISAN Option. n/t

[Bobbie Jo]

11. Lets Rock!

[berni_mccoy]

12. YEEEEEHHAAAAAWWWW! Eat Your Shit Sandwich Pukes!

[progressoid]

13. Gee, what are Democrats going to do about Democrats?

Great that they finally figured out that repukes aren't going to play ball. Now what about the Dems that won't play either. :shrug:

[Stephanie]

15. Obama will find his inner-LBJ

Strong-arm those MFs.

[MarjorieG]

29. Good that we have quotes, proof they don't want to help. Voters still want co-operation, even though

Congress more polarized and independent than LBJ time. Also we have fewer Dem Senators. Concerned what we can get from Bayh, and what happens to the bill at 51 votes. Hopefully we can get cooperation to end filibuster.

[kctim]

118. Good call

The trouble was never about convincing the Reps, its about convincing Democrats. How does the Dem leadership get their own to vote against their constituents wishes?

[Motown_Johnny]

17. and 36 hours ago the public option was dead.....

[Incitatus]

65. Perhaps the public's response to Congress and the WH after that was said made them reconsider.

I wonder how many calls and emails they received after that comment.

[Amos Moses]

86. +1

For all we know, it was dead. Even now, we don't know that it isn't.

Regardless, some of the hell that's been raised over the idea of dumping the public option could very well be what causes them to start taking this seriously.

[TexasObserver]

18. Recommend

[L0oniX]

19. Bout time. n/t

[Stephanie]

22. Hello?

This is what we've been asking for. They need our support.

[titoresque]

23. Yes! About damn time!

So sick and tired of messing with these son-of-bitches! Screw 'em!
Now we're going to need to keep the pressure on our Democratic congress and Senators, let 'em know that we're not going to back down! We've got to turn up the heat!

[Cleita]

25. Fantastic, but we can't let up being militant about supporting our

progressive Congress critters and keeping the looney tune teabaggers contained.

[titoresque]

58. amen to that!

[rucky]

26. How about introducting HR676, then?

[kster]

36. --

:thumbsup:

[Stephanie]

27. Kicking until DU gets it

We are being heard!

[Buns_of_Fire]

28. As many here have been suggesting for -- God -- HOW long now?

I can only conclude that the great "strategists" in Washington are grossly overpaid -- and we should bill the DNC for our services.

Or was this all one big rope-a-dope to get the rebubbalickins to show their true colors, thereby ticking off EVERYBODY?

Either way, NOW it should get interesting (in a good way).

[anigbrowl]

41. I think the WH especially had to show it made an effort to work with the GOP

Do the GOP care? Not really. It's fairly obvious that Freeper types aren't interested in compromise. Frankly, neither are most people people on DU. However, the fact is that passionate partisans on both sides are in a majority, and delude themselves into thinking their view is the majority one (yes, I do mean you).

This is alienating to independent voters and moderate who actually DO make up the majority and are generally less ideologically rigid. Obama said he'd try to work with the Republicans and he had to deliver on that promise. He gave them a seat at the table, as he said he would, and they've acted like assholes. So now he can blow them off with a clear conscience...and they've blown any opportunity to complain about it, because they got overconfident.

It's clever politics in two senses - one is that now we can concentrate on passing a democratic bill because the GOP have shown they 'negotiated' in bad faith. The other is that the GOP again have to confront the question of whether they want to be a general center-right party or bed down with crazy (though they seem to be going in the latter direction).

[pinto]

31. Senator Grassley: "I am negotiating for Republicans."

The White House has also interpreted critical comments by Senator Charles E. Grassley of Iowa, the top Republican negotiator in a crucial Finance Committee effort to reach a bipartisan compromise, as a sign that there is little hope of reaching a deal politically acceptable to both parties.

Mr. Grassley, who is facing the possibility of a Republican primary challenge next year, has gotten an earful in traveling around his home state. At one gathering last week, in a city park in the central Iowa town of Adel, a man rose from the crowd and urged him to “stand up and fight” the Democratic plans. If he does not, the man yelled, “we will vote you out!”

The White House, carefully following Mr. Grassley’s activities, presumed he was no longer interested in negotiating with Democrats after he initially made no effort to debunk misinformation that the legislation could lead to “death panels” empowered to judge who would receive care.

Citing a packed schedule, Mr. Grassley has also put off plans for the bipartisan group of Finance Committee negotiators to meet in either Iowa or Maine, the home of another Republican member of the group, Senator Olympia J. Snowe, before Congress resumes.

Further, Mr. Grassley said this week that he would vote against a bill unless it had wide support from Republicans, even if it included all the provisions he wanted. “I am negotiating for Republicans,” he told MSNBC.

http://www.nytimes.com/2009/08/19/health/policy/19repubs.html?_r=1&hp

[Stephanie]

32. Not Americans. Republicans.

n/t

[pinto]

45. Really. Telling, no?

Geez. :hi:

[Hawkeye-X]

48. Two words, Mr. Assley

FUCK OFF!

[pinto]

49. I'll second that.

:kick:

[DU GrovelBot]

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[Stephanie]

34. GrovelBot, we have a chance to win the war

Support out Dems, Gravelbot! Show them that you care!

[Tim01]

35. Nobody is surprised the repubs resisted every thing the dems suggested, right?

I hope this has been part of the understood process.

"We negotiate with the republicans for a while so that everybody can get a chance to see they are not going to work with us on anything, then we get to work on our own."

The republicans have been fiercely hostile toward Obama and his administration from the start. There has never been any reason to think they would be rational.

[Stephanie]

37. Dems "focused on drawing support for a final plan from within their own ranks"

That's our cue, friends.

[Overseas]

38. Maybe I've watched too many America's Best Dance Crew, but I admire the crews because

they lay their best dances down and strongly, every week. They slam it on the stage as a challenge and the other crews have to dance up to and try to exceed that level, slamming their own best into the mix.

So I'm feeling so wistful about how wonderful it could have been if our Democrats had dared to open the debate with the very best-- Single Payer Now. Had they slammed onto the stage with the ideal system first-- public cost control with private provision of medical services, high patient satisfaction, infrastructure ready for expansion, etc.-- every subsequent plan would have had to measure up to that. Our discussions could have been so much more productive.

Had they dared to open with the best, with 15 prominent Democrats and administration officials selling its merits in unison, just imagine how different the debate could have been by now. Single Payer vs A, B, C.

No ridiculous Democratic Hail Mary's would be needed at this juncture. The public would know.

And the reckless fear and anger mongering of "grass roots" groups by right wing PR machines couldn't be much worse than it is now. Even though one gets the feeling that they're just warming up.

I'm just so wistful about that missed opportunity. The Democrats could have ruled the roost-- told the public that look, here's what everyone's got to beat-- Single Payer. We all know our system is broken because millions are not covered and millions more go bankrupt due to illness, even with insurance. So here's this Single Payer system. We have it now. It's called Medicare and people are pretty happy with it. They call it Single Payer in Canada. They like their system and have it for X-years. It's a mixture of public and private sectors. The doctors and hospitals are private and individually owned. Only the payments are simplified through public administration and cost controls. In exchange for our taxes we get a deeply meaningful benefit. Health security at last. Everyone is covered and no one goes bankrupt paying for care after an accident. Everyone is covered.

Our pay-to-play system leaves millions of people uncovered and yet costs have been skyrocketing. Therefore, many people recommend the Single Payer plan, telling us that we already have Medicare we can build upon. We Democrats agree. Single Payer would be the most effective reform.

Other options seem much more expensive and restrictive. So we look forward to hearing what concrete reform proposals the opposition parties propose that can match or exceed the efficiency of Single Payer.

[nadinbrzezinski]

39. Gee the threats worked

I'll hold my breath but if this is the end result, I will have to work for dems again.

Not a bad thing.

The only explanation is the virtual revolt they got and them angry calls. ONLY explanation, PERIOD

[tavalon]

40. Oh, scary!!!!

About damn time!

[blogslut]

42. I RSVP'ed for the big conference call on Thursday

Can't wait. :hi:

[Stephanie]

43. Is it a bloggers call?

[blogslut]

50. I think it's open to anyone that is part of

barackobama.com :hi:

[Born_A_Truman]

47. I have to miss it!

I'm going to be on the road or in a client meeting.

[Stephanie]

44. Hello DU!

[Critters2]

46. Oh, God! Let this be true! Let this be true! nt

[voc]

52. Kick

I RSVP'd as well,
and sent a long question,which essentially said get it done without bipartisan support.
We have the votes.

[comtec]

53. No gurantee of a universal/public health care option

just means they will take all the credit/blame.

I can only hope this means the dems will finally grow a spine and do what is BEST for this country, NOT for the mega corps.

but from what i've seen... I can't bear to hope.
the disappointment is too crushing.
I'll expect utter failure... if i'm wrong I'll donate 100€ to Obama's re-election.
If not... well... I wasn't expecting any REAL action anyway by these fucking cowards and traitors!

[democracy1st]

54. let's see if the dems get a public option if not this admin has been exposed

[Kablooie]

55. Oh I wish. But I won't believe it until I see results. It's probably just empty talk as always.

I haven't seen Democrats stand up against Republicans in a decade.

Why should they all of a sudden change now.

I don't believe it.

Just another disappointment in the making.

[deep1]

116. Key Word Decade

Nothing is ever constant. Change can come. Drop the pessimism

[Kablooie]

117. OK.

It's a hap-hap-happy day
Toodle-oodle-oodle-oodle-oodle-lay
For you and me for us and we
All the clouds have rolled away

[Stephanie]

56. morning kick

[CoffeeCat]

57. How can the majority party "go it alone"?

They've got a frickin majority.

Vote...that's all they need to do.

It's not rocket science. They aren't attempting to swim the English Channel.

Just cast your vote.

I'm really tired of this line of bullshit that we're being fed---that this is SOOO hard and the
Republicans are being SOOO difficult.

It's not hard. Just vote for it.

And stopthe drama and the lies!

[Kansas Wyatt]

59. Good, because that WOULD have been the Republicans FIRST option.

Tell the Republicans to sit down and shut the fuck up, because the American People made their choice in the last Election.

[WI_DEM]

61. I'm not sure it has anything to do with his meeting with Bill Clinton

if Bill's such an expert on health care how come he couldn't get his own plan thru. I'm glad they are doing this anyway.

[slay]

62. I soooooo hope this is true

We need BOLD leadership in this time of crazy. Hopefully Obama and the Dems have seen the light and that they are our only chance - the Republicans serve their corporate masters - we'll just have to hope the Dems don't - at least as much.

[Maru Kitteh]

63. Happiness abides. Hope, abides.

[LynneSin]

66. Obama played this like a master Chess Champion - he made his move knowing their next 10 moves.

We questioned why we would put off the vote until after the break but it all makes sense. The Republicans have spent the month digging their political graves and the polls show we still want health care.

It's nice having a smart man in the White House!

[spinbaby]

67. Wahoo!

'Bout time!

:fistbump:

[piratefish08]

68. About. Fucking. Time. nt

[pleah]

69. K&R About damn time. n/t

[wroberts189]

70. Gomer...: Surprise ,surprise ,surprise :) nt

[dembotoz]

72. damn the torpedoes--full speed ahead!!!!!!!

fuck em
fuck em
fuck em

[wroberts189]

73. Full throttle ...nt

[Beer Snob-50]

74. will the conservative democrats go along with this?

this is the only way it will get done. obama tried to do it the otehr way.

[bdamomma]

75. keep on calling your reps and senators, you know how they need some spine from us!!

[freddie mertz]

76. Gibbs just denied this.

At his press conference.

They are not exactly making sense this week.

[RainDog]

80. Democrats will get the credit for bringing this nation into the 21st century

while Republicans will be remembered as the party that, once again, hates the American people.

live with that for the next century of election cycles, Republicans!

[burrowowl]

81. ABOUT TIME!

Now they need to whip the Blue Dogs into line!

[DemsForWin]

82. Do you think......

with so many people coming out against this bill, that it will cost the Dems some seats come 2010?

[texastoast]

119. The ones really coming out against this bill

Are people like Dick Armey who would fuck you and your children if he could make a dollar to keep for himself or his cronies.

America wants change. And with all the success we are having cleaning up the Republicans' steaming pile, I doubt we will lose much in 2010, unless we don't bring the change the whole country soundly voted for.

[katty]

83. Good, finally!! This should have been the strategy ages ago

[WheelWalker]

104. Barack's been Biden his time n/t

[musiclawyer]

84. Everyone needs to write and call

twice a day if necessary until this is done. Hard work. But necessary.

Sorry, but FEAR works best. Tell them what the "consequences" will be if there is no true public option at a minimum.

[vinylsolution]

85. Now is the time....

.... to strong-arm those Blue Dogs. Let's go get 'em!

[nradisic]

88. Game on!

I've said this multiple times: President Obama is playing a three level game of chess, while the Republicans and most others still think it is a game of checkers. Those who play chess, know how long a game can take...now think of a three level, three dimensional game of chess...

[obamachangetheworld]

89. Silly Republicans

They could have played a major role in overhauling one of the most backward parts of our country, but instead they decided to play the fear card and invoke images of people going before panels and being sentenced to death, of a Stalinist regime suffocating the most basic freedoms.

Once a fear monger always a fear monger.

Now it is up to the Dems to provide for a safer more secure America, one in which people aren't hauled before corporate panels deciding if their lives are worth enough or if their hopes at wellness should be canceled on the spot. Democrats will receive the credit for fixing a system where exploding health care costs and corporate mismanagement suffocate the economy and the well-being of Americans.

I will cherish the sound of disappointed Republicans squealing because they are being marginalized, all the more hurt because they were once encouraged to play an important role.

[DemsForWin]

111. The down side to this is......

if Universal Coverage goes bad and people feel that it is not working, then the dems will get the full blame. It has to work flawlessly right off the bat, or the public will grow weary fast. Everyone already knows that when the Government does something, it is alwasy riddled with flaws. Just look at Medicare, Medicaid, Social Security, Amtrac and the Post Office. All are tens of billions in the red every year.

[Beartracks]

90. Not interested?! What??

"Republicans really didn't want to participate with Democrats in crafting a health care reform bill."

They have even said as much. They're more interested in scoring a political win than in solving health care problems for citizens.

[davidwparker]

91. Good. Dems were given a MANDATE to fix what the 'cons broke. Not to

compromise with them.

[drmeow]

93. I just called my democratic congressman

and let him know that he has my FULL support if that's what they decide to do.

[Fedja]

95. I apologize

I know this is only vaguely related, and I apologize for posting a link as blatantly as this in the comments, but...

I stumbled across the video today and it moved me. Although I wasn't here to see the human rights struggles of the 60s and 70s, I always deeply admired the strength with which the masses stood up for what was right and righteous.

If there's one song that takes me there and reminds me of how important it is to stand strong, this is it.

www.youtube.com/watch?v=1oU7M4OeSRM
These times they are a-changing

[salguine]

103. This isn't the end of it. I want to know WHAT the Democrats are going to do alone. If

they're going to enact something that forces people to buy insurance WITHOUT the Republicans on board, I'm not impressed. Let's see what they propose to do first.

[santamargarita]

105. They should have done this from day one

:think:

[MasonJar]

106. Not according to Gibbs today. Obama has screwed this up and he

will be the one to suffer--one term president unless he pulls some weight and soon. And Baucus is worse than the GOpers and his committee for some reason seems in charge...not Health Education and Welfare or etc.

[Serge A Storms]

107. Lets do this thing

time to stop listening to the "nattering nabobs of negativism"

[BrainGlutton]

108. Jeez, it took them long enough to figure out they can DO that!

[jojo_to_some]

109. Very excited this is my first post at DU. I've been reading for

over a year. I'm glad I get to comment on this topic. Heath care reform is very important to me. I think the Dems need to just go it alone. I'm writing letters, and doing what I can do to help get this thing done.

p.s. I hope I did this right.

[Rectangle]

110. Welcome to DU!!

:hi:

[AyanEva]

112. Glad to hear it!

Go for it!

OK, who else do I need to email and call to help with the effort?!

[ahmet]

113. About fucking time....go it alone!

Screw those repukes and blue K-9s. We've got the votes stick it to 'em.

[deep1]

115. This is.....

Great news! You gotta push and fight. Fuck the GOP.