Looks to me like the mainline Dems in the Senate are trying to have the best of both worlds--

[Jackpine Radical]

They aim to please their big-time contributors from the insurance and pharma industries while shifting the blame to the Republicans for their failure to pass useful or meaningful reform. Oh, yeah, there'll be reform legislation, all right. It will prevent the Gubmint from negotiating prices with anybody, and will mandate that everyone buy insurance while both reducing the quality of the insurance (e.g. permitting up to 35% copays) and providing insurance subsidies for the indigent (that will go straight into the industry's coffers) in order to ease the financial burden on those poor HMOs.

Wadda goddam deal. Wadda goddam fuckin sweet deal for the American people.

[dflprincess]

1. And they will expect us to be grateful that they passed "reform"

becasue that's how dumb they think we are.

[Jackpine Radical]

2. Yeah. Besides, we got nowhere else to go.

What are those wild-eyed far-left wackos gonna do? Vote for Republicans? Hyuk hyuk.

I dunno. I keep thinking about how kids volunteered for Obama last fall & came piling into states like Iowa to work the primaries. Well, maybe a bunch of us old farts can select a few worthwhile Senate primaries, and go push for progressive candidates. Ben Nelson is ripe (in more senses than one). I wounder how he'd like a few thousand crazed old hippies coming into his district to push a good Primary opponent over the top.

[damntexdem]

3. There's no place to go -- but there would be no reason to stay.

They would get no more support from me.

[debbierlus]

6. It isn't true. If enough people FINALLY get that we have a one party system

There might be a true demand for real representation. A populist movement will arise.

It is just a matter of time.

Americans are pretty complacent, but there is a tipping point. I believe Bush was only the FIRST realization that had to come to light - the Republicans have been exposed for what they are and people don't trust them.

Obama's election is the second phase. Betrayal from a democrat that campaigned on hope and change, and then sold out to the corporations will be ice water in the face of many Americans (many whom populate this board). But, the reality of his governance will be what stays with people. Unaffordable corporate health care and trillions to banks while the people go under will not play well in the long run.

Unfortunately, it seems we need to hit catastrophe before people will truly stand up for representation.

It will be a ugly process - it already is - this bogus health care 'reform' debate proves that beyod a shadow of a doubt.

[redqueen]

5. They should check with Lieberman about what those wackos are gonna do.

Sellout Dems should know they're all on notice.

[tavalon]

7. I'm still thinking about moving to Canada

[Laelth]

4. And if we don't smile and say "thank you," ...

... they'll accuse us of being Freepers and hating Obama. Heck, they'll probably blame the piss-poor legislation on our failure to "support" the President.

:dem:

-Laelth