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erpowers (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Sep-29-09 08:37 AM Original message |
Is It Time To Increase the Minimum Age for a Driver's Liscense |
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seabeyond (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Sep-29-09 08:37 AM Response to Original message |
1. no. nt |
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pipi_k (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Sep-29-09 08:39 AM Response to Original message |
2. 18? Make it 21 |
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EndersDame (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Sep-29-09 08:48 AM Response to Reply #2 |
10. I did not get mine untill 22 but I think that teens should be able to drive |
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pipi_k (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Sep-29-09 09:05 AM Response to Reply #10 |
31. Just because someone is a parent at 16 or 17 |
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EndersDame (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Sep-29-09 09:08 AM Response to Reply #31 |
33. My mom didnt have a car when I was in Highschool |
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pipi_k (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Sep-29-09 09:16 AM Response to Reply #33 |
40. But the thing is, I'm not seeing any really good reasons |
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CalvinandHobbes (61 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Sep-29-09 09:25 AM Response to Reply #31 |
45. Try taking a bus to work when you live in rural montana!!! nt |
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pipi_k (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Sep-29-09 09:40 AM Response to Reply #45 |
57. I can't take a bus from where I am, either, but... |
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tammywammy (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Sep-29-09 09:40 AM Response to Reply #31 |
58. Try living in a city with no public transportation. n/t |
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BlooInBloo (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Sep-29-09 08:39 AM Response to Original message |
3. "license". |
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cali (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Sep-29-09 08:41 AM Response to Original message |
4. no. and your anecdotes prove nothing. horrible idea. |
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Ikonoklast (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Sep-29-09 10:53 AM Response to Reply #4 |
81. But statistics kept by the government do. Specifically the CDC. |
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EndersDame (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Sep-29-09 08:45 AM Response to Original message |
5. Don't increase the age but the time they take getting the license |
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JVS (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Sep-29-09 08:53 AM Response to Reply #5 |
19. There is definitely something perverse about a drivers' test that features.... |
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EndersDame (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Sep-29-09 09:02 AM Response to Reply #19 |
28. The parallel parking was the only thing I had to spend anytime on |
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RaleighNCDUer (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Sep-29-09 09:14 AM Response to Reply #19 |
38. How about a test where they swerve to miss a pop-up dog in the road |
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JVS (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Sep-29-09 09:18 AM Response to Reply #38 |
42. At 65 mph you just keep going and hit the dog. |
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RaleighNCDUer (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Sep-29-09 09:22 AM Response to Reply #42 |
43. Yep. Something that I don't think ever gets mentioned in Drivers Ed. |
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TreasonousBastard (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Sep-29-09 09:31 AM Response to Reply #38 |
51. Back when I worked part-time for a driving school, I kept... |
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tabbycat31 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Sep-29-09 09:17 AM Response to Reply #19 |
41. and I haven't parallel parked since I got my license |
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tammywammy (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Sep-29-09 09:29 AM Response to Reply #41 |
49. I used to all the time at my old job |
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rexcat (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Sep-29-09 08:45 AM Response to Original message |
6. No... |
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Odin2005 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Sep-29-09 08:46 AM Response to Original message |
7. No. Next question? |
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nemo137 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Sep-29-09 08:46 AM Response to Original message |
8. The plural of "anecdote" is not data. |
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MineralMan (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Sep-29-09 08:48 AM Response to Reply #8 |
12. +1 |
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rucky (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Sep-29-09 08:47 AM Response to Original message |
9. Not while schools are cutting busing at the same time. |
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DaveinJapan (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Sep-29-09 08:48 AM Response to Original message |
11. Wow, such quick and vehement rejections... |
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taterguy (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Sep-29-09 08:52 AM Response to Reply #11 |
16. Because cars are essential for mobility |
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pipi_k (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Sep-29-09 08:57 AM Response to Reply #16 |
24. The same way they got around when they were 15? |
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EndersDame (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Sep-29-09 09:04 AM Response to Reply #24 |
29. Some teens have to have jobs and some already have kids |
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pipi_k (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Sep-29-09 09:12 AM Response to Reply #29 |
35. I already replied above regarding the issue of jobs, but |
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taterguy (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Sep-29-09 09:31 AM Response to Reply #24 |
52. Are you willing to bicycle on the streets where you live? |
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pipi_k (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Sep-29-09 09:43 AM Response to Reply #52 |
59. Oh for pete's sake |
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taterguy (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Sep-29-09 10:02 AM Response to Reply #59 |
64. Sorry, I have low tolerance for "Do as I say, not as I do" |
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RaleighNCDUer (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Sep-29-09 10:55 AM Response to Reply #64 |
82. Because most people are lazy. |
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taterguy (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Sep-29-09 11:00 AM Response to Reply #82 |
83. I double dog dare you to post that the next time gas goes up to 4.00 a gallon and people complain |
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RaleighNCDUer (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Sep-29-09 11:14 AM Response to Reply #83 |
86. I did last time, and I will next time. |
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taterguy (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Sep-29-09 03:09 PM Response to Reply #86 |
92. Must be nice to live in a bucolic city with no traffic issues |
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RaleighNCDUer (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Sep-30-09 09:33 AM Response to Reply #92 |
93. Yeah, no kidding. I do feel obliged to add the caveat that |
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taterguy (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Oct-01-09 02:51 PM Response to Reply #93 |
95. Must be nice to live an area with sidewalks |
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DaveinJapan (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Sep-29-09 08:58 AM Response to Reply #16 |
26. More reason to support mass transit. ;) nt |
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taterguy (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Sep-29-09 10:01 AM Response to Reply #26 |
63. What percentage people live in areas where mass transit is viable economically/environmentally? |
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seabeyond (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Sep-29-09 08:52 AM Response to Reply #11 |
17. I LOVED having my license at 16... works for me. and not quick, this discussion |
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Zywiec (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Sep-29-09 08:50 AM Response to Original message |
13. No - Is everyone becoming their parents? |
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RaleighNCDUer (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Sep-29-09 09:29 AM Response to Reply #13 |
50. No, just reflecting on the reality of modern life. |
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JVS (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Sep-29-09 08:50 AM Response to Original message |
14. Sounds like your local teens need to quit being dumbfucks |
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Maeve (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Sep-29-09 08:52 AM Response to Original message |
15. For some, the age is raised by default |
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ghurley (106 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Sep-29-09 09:02 AM Response to Reply #15 |
27. It's experience, not age... raise the age to 20, and 20 year olds will be high risk drivers... |
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pipi_k (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Sep-29-09 09:28 AM Response to Reply #27 |
48. I was going to mention something about "experience", actually |
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KG (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Sep-29-09 08:52 AM Response to Original message |
18. here in FL i'd be more interested in a maximum age. |
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LibDemAlways (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Sep-29-09 09:53 AM Response to Reply #18 |
62. I'm with you. I used to work at a travel agency in a strip mall |
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Individualist (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Sep-29-09 11:01 AM Response to Reply #18 |
84. I don't agree with a maximum age, but |
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LisaL (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Sep-29-09 08:54 AM Response to Original message |
20. Well a little problem is that US in many places doesn't have |
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DefenseLawyer (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Sep-29-09 08:54 AM Response to Original message |
21. 45 seems reasonable. |
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MineralMan (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Sep-29-09 08:55 AM Response to Original message |
22. You had two accidents involving teenagers in your area |
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erpowers (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Sep-29-09 09:13 AM Response to Reply #22 |
37. Motor Vehicles are Leading Cause of Death Among Teenagers |
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MineralMan (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Sep-29-09 09:28 AM Response to Reply #37 |
47. Now...that's data... |
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slackmaster (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Sep-29-09 08:56 AM Response to Original message |
23. SUVs are not appropriate for inexperienced drivers |
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JVS (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Sep-29-09 09:37 AM Response to Reply #23 |
55. This is true. Unfortunately, the used car market is now awash with these favorites of the 90's |
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slackmaster (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Sep-29-09 10:40 AM Response to Reply #55 |
78. Anyone who allows a teenager to drive one is irresponsible IMO |
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newfie11 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Sep-29-09 08:57 AM Response to Original message |
25. you can get a license at age 14 in SD |
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Kalyke (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Sep-29-09 09:04 AM Response to Original message |
30. Who can afford the insurance on a 16-year-old? |
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LibDemAlways (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Sep-29-09 10:39 AM Response to Reply #30 |
77. You have a good point. I have a 16-year-old. She took 50 hours of |
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justabob (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Sep-29-09 09:05 AM Response to Original message |
32. I'd rather see more intensive driver's ed |
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Mariana (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Sep-29-09 09:38 AM Response to Reply #32 |
56. Most of those lousy drivers are capable of driving well |
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angryfirelord (248 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Sep-29-09 09:10 AM Response to Original message |
34. I'd say the main issue is the test |
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Captain Hilts (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Sep-29-09 09:12 AM Response to Original message |
36. New/teenaged drivers and SUVs - Not a good combination. nt |
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tjwash (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Sep-29-09 09:14 AM Response to Original message |
39. We need a maximum age more than we need to raise the minimum age. |
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Romulox (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Sep-29-09 09:25 AM Response to Original message |
44. Young people are already so infantalized today. What about getting to their JOBs? |
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Common Sense Party (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Sep-29-09 12:18 PM Response to Reply #44 |
91. Teens don't have jobs any more. |
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scheming daemons (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Sep-29-09 09:26 AM Response to Original message |
46. I say... increase it to 18... and EVERYONE over 70 must be retested every 2 years |
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SidDithers (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Sep-29-09 09:34 AM Response to Original message |
53. Do they have graduated licensing in the US?... |
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strategery blunder (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Sep-29-09 10:31 AM Response to Reply #53 |
73. Some states do, and some don't. |
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ddeclue (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Sep-29-09 09:34 AM Response to Original message |
54. NO - It is time to make licenses require SKILLS to get and formal training. |
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Ghost Dog (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Sep-29-09 10:06 AM Response to Reply #54 |
66. That sounds very similar to the process involved in qualifying |
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ddeclue (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Sep-29-09 10:32 AM Response to Reply #66 |
74. Actually some clarifications: |
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A HERETIC I AM (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Sep-29-09 10:11 AM Response to Reply #54 |
68. Agreed. The driver education system in this country is deplorable and should be more like |
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Maru Kitteh (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Sep-29-09 09:47 AM Response to Original message |
60. A Bio professor at our University says we should move the drinking age to 14 and driving to 25 |
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kctim (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Sep-29-09 09:48 AM Response to Original message |
61. Yes |
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Orsino (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Sep-29-09 10:02 AM Response to Original message |
65. Putting a lethal weapon in the hands of a minor is a risky proposition. |
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deadmessengers (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Sep-29-09 10:09 AM Response to Original message |
67. No, but we should make it harder, more expensive, and easier to lose. |
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lukasahero (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Sep-29-09 10:12 AM Response to Original message |
69. No - 20 yrs ago when I was in high school |
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RaleighNCDUer (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Sep-29-09 11:03 AM Response to Reply #69 |
85. No kids I remember were ever killed driving in my HS. |
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lukasahero (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Sep-29-09 11:50 AM Response to Reply #85 |
87. Everything's backwards! lol |
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Autumn (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Sep-29-09 10:14 AM Response to Original message |
70. No n/t |
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rvablue (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Sep-29-09 10:18 AM Response to Original message |
71. No make it more difficult and entirely ban cell phones. |
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madmom (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Sep-29-09 10:25 AM Response to Original message |
72. No, but I do think they need to revise the lesson plan. I have often told |
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rd_kent (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Sep-29-09 10:35 AM Response to Original message |
75. No, but we need to make the driving test harder and enforce responsibilty! |
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Greyhound (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Sep-29-09 10:37 AM Response to Original message |
76. Or how about a sane idea, like making certain that everybody that drives knows how to drive and |
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Avalux (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Sep-29-09 10:40 AM Response to Original message |
79. No. Parents need to enforce rules and have their kids sign contracts. |
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surrealAmerican (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Sep-29-09 10:53 AM Response to Original message |
80. It's unlikely to help much. |
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Jennicut (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Sep-29-09 11:54 AM Response to Original message |
88. I didn't get my license until I was 20 and I think I am a better driver for it. |
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KamaAina (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Sep-29-09 12:04 PM Response to Original message |
89. Sounds to me like it's time to decrease the number of SUVs on the road |
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Common Sense Party (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Sep-29-09 12:14 PM Response to Original message |
90. No, 16 is still fine, BUT they should definitely increase the hours |
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treestar (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Sep-30-09 09:52 AM Response to Original message |
94. Yes, the age was chosen so teens could help out on the farm |
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