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Maat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-16-07 12:51 PM
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Look at the crud that was on internet re the environmentally-friendly lightbulbs:
Edited on Mon Apr-16-07 12:51 PM by Maat
I'm reprinting the email I sent below; it contains the link to the original article, and the response Hubby and I located. I also notified www.mediamatters.org , because I believe that progressives should put the correct information out there.

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Dear WorldNetDaily Editor:

Re: http://www.worldnetdaily.com/news/article.asp?ARTICLE_ID=55213 .

The article apparently implies that the environmentally-friendly bulbs are very dangerous. The following debunks that idea. I'm sure that you have no interest in parroting anti-green propangda, and will post the corrective information promptly:

fact sheet from the EPA….

http://www.gcvirginia.org/Conservation/epafactsheet-cfl.pdf


Thank you for your effort in advance,


(Maat)
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Pawel K Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-16-07 12:53 PM
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1. Why do these assholes do this?
And how fucking stupid do you have to be to actually go along with this shit?
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tridim Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-16-07 12:55 PM
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2. It's probably funded by GE, Sylvania, etc.
Because they neglected to improve their incandescent bulb design during the last 100 years.
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WiseButAngrySara Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-16-07 01:22 PM
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4. Ahhh! There's the motive! GE bringing 'good things to death.'...n/t
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jmowreader Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-16-07 02:38 PM
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7. There's a problem with that theory...
GE and Sylvania both make CF bulbs!

From GE's website:

Because there is such a small amount of mercury in CFLs, your greatest risk if a bulb breaks is getting cut from glass shards. Research indicates that there is no immediate health risk to you or your family should a bulb break and it's cleaned up properly. You can minimize any risks by following these proper clean-up and disposal guidelines:
* Sweep up—don't vacuum—all of the glass fragments and fine particles.
* Place broken pieces in a sealed plastic bag and wipe the area with a damp paper towel to pick up any stray shards of glass or fine particles. Put the used towel in the plastic bag as well.
* If weather permits, open windows to allow the room to ventilate.

I can think of a couple of problems with CFs--you can't use them in a can light because the heat that builds up in the can fries the CF's electronics, and you can't use them outside because if they get cold enough, they won't come on.

But geeze...the incident described in the WorldNutDaily piece sounds more like someone broke a 400-watt mercury vapor bulb.
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Warren DeMontague Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-16-07 08:46 PM
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12. Because the sooner the world ends, the sooner Jesus comes back and stops all the fornication.
:woohoo:
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IWantAChange Donating Member (974 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-16-07 12:56 PM
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3. just look at the banner ads and you can see where these wingnuts come from
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Manifestor_of_Light Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-16-07 01:54 PM
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5. Compact fluorescents save money in TWO ways.
My engineer buddy tells me:

1)Because CFs are cooler, they produce less heat. They are far more efficient than incandescent bulbs.
2)Because they produce less heat, your air conditioner does not have to use electricity to remove the heat NOT generated by the CFs.

So it works two ways. Nobody but my genius engineer physicist SO has thought about this, apparently.

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SmokingJacket Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-16-07 02:03 PM
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6. What if you don't have AC, but you heat your house?
Then you have to warm it MORE.

Just saying!
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Manifestor_of_Light Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-16-07 03:20 PM
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9. I live in Texas.
It's hot and humid and you will literally get heat exhaustion or DIE from heatstroke without A/C about 6 months out of the year.

Fans do not work. Fans blowing hot air around act like a convection oven and make it worse. You MUST have A/C to take the water out of the air.

I know, I grew up in Houston without Central Air, and only with a couple of inadequate window units in the house. Many a night it was too hot to sleep because the low was 78 or 80 degrees. It did not cool down at night because of the high humidity.

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SmokingJacket Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-16-07 08:34 PM
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10. I lived across the border from you in LA for two years w/o AC.
I survived. So did all those people before AC was invented. It's really just a matter of what you're used to. You have to live differently -- move a little slower, get less done on the hot days.

I know people in PA who think they can't live without AC, because being a little hot and sweaty drives them up the wall -- they're so unused to it.
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Manifestor_of_Light Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-16-07 08:46 PM
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11. I never got used to it and neither did anybody else I knew.
My mother spent all her time cussing and sweating and turning bright red. I remember the sweat rolling down her bright red neck. It continued after she hit menopause too.

Nowadays I would get heat exhaustion, and I have gotten it before.
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chaska Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-16-07 03:15 PM
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8. Here's what I'm doing...
I used CFs in th summer and in some, but not all, applications I use incandescents in winter. But I will do this ONLY UNTIL THEY BURN OUT, then it'll be all CFs.

Yeah, this common garden variety English major realized very early (1976) on that incandescents are great heaters.

In 1976 I attended a guitar building school. We used sheet metal molds to bend the guitar sides. The heat source for these molds were 200 watt incandescent bulbs. They get very hot.
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Matsubara Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-16-07 08:54 PM
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13. Thank you for posting this.
I have been replacing all my incandescents with CCLs and was unaware of the presence of mercury, sO I'm actually glad that WorldNutDaily mentioned it.

I"ll be more careful about disposing them now.

I basically like them, but the "warm-up time" required before they reach full brightness is a bit annoying, especially the one in our staircase. By the time it's bright enough, I'm already at the bottom of the stairs and turning it off!

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