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seafan Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-04-09 12:03 PM
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A problem, Mr. President: Large numbers of voters think we have not done enough to help them.



David Leonhardt writes on September 20, 2009:


Large numbers of voters think the government’s recent policies have done a lot to help Wall Street and relatively little to help an “average working person.” Now, a majority of people also say that the stimulus program was necessary and that it has helped the economy. So there is some internal inconsistency here.

Politically, though, the poll does a nice job of capturing one of the central challenges for the White House and Democrats in Congress. Voters do not think elected officials have done enough to mitigate the damage from the recession.

It’s going to be interesting to watch how Democrats try to deal with this in the 13 months between now and the midterm elections. Another stimulus? Tax cuts for companies that create jobs? An emphasis — both political and policywise — on financial re-regulation? Something else?





Eliot Spitzer warns us repeatedly:


October 1, 2009


The Obama administration, which has spent much of the past year bailing out banks and protecting the markets, has done shockingly little to help the middle class that has borne the brunt of the financial meltdown. Two acts are particularly revealing. First, the administration failed to go to the mat to give judges the power to reform mortgages in the bankruptcy context. The administration barely winced as the Senate caved to the banks on this critical issue, risking no political capital to protect one of the few reforms that could have totally transformed the mortgage crisis. As the foreclosure wave continues, and as adjustable-rate mortgages hit reset points that are going to cause havoc for millions of additional families, this failure of political leadership by the administration stands as one of the early warning signs that things were amiss.

The second act is the recent—equally difficult to understand—concession to the banks, allowing them not to be required to offer what are called "plain vanilla" mortgages and other products to consumers. These products are simpler, more understandable, less ridden with fees, and less prone to long-term risk than most of what banks try to sell consumers on a regular basis. These are the very products consumers need.

.....

The administration's failure on these two policies is symptomatic of its larger failure of vision when it comes to banking reform. The administration has spent more time worried about the musical chairs of regulatory jurisdiction than it has asking fundamental questions about what banks should be doing, what we should expect in return for the vast sums we have invested in the banks, and how discomforting it is that the banks—in an effort to forestall these very questions—are already trying to assert that things have reverted to normal. It's worth recalling that the greatest impact of the New Deal was not the money spent on particular programs but, rather, the fundamental restructuring of the banking and securities sector that President Roosevelt imposed over the objections of business leaders.

Among the advisers to the White House, only Paul Volcker appears to be asking the tough questions. Volcker is asking what banks should be permitted to do if they want to have explicit federal guarantees on deposits and implicit guarantees that they are too big to fail. Unfortunately, Volcker does not seem to have a central role in any of the critical decisions.

The administration also hasn't asked whether the banks are using the capital we have given them in ways that will generate the economic recovery we need.

.....

For 50 years, under a regime of careful constraints on how and to whom banks lent, we avoided a meltdown of the sort we have just suffered though. The least we should now expect is a serious conversation about where banks should be active and how we can avoid rebuilding the same system that just collapsed.

The message we should be sending is clear: If banks want to participate in the high-risk activity that generates outsize bonuses but also outsize risk, they must do so only with their own capital, separated from guaranteed deposits and a taxpayer backstop to their debt and borrowing capacity. Unfortunately, this message is not being sent. If, after all the fuss of supposed banking reform, we do not redefine the relationship between banks and their customers and redefine what banks do with our capital, we will have failed. We will get neither the real economic recovery we need nor the assurance that another round of bailouts will not be necessary in the near future.




And so has Paul Krugman:


October 3, 2009


But another bad employment report yesterday. I’m feeling pretty bleak about this.

And the worst of it is that it was more or less predictable. I went back to my first blog post — January 6, 2009 — worrying that the Obama economic plan was too cautious. I wrote:

This really does look like a plan that falls well short of what advocates of strong stimulus were hoping for — and it seems as if that was done in order to win Republican votes. Yet even if the plan gets the hoped-for 80 votes in the Senate, which seems doubtful, responsibility for the plan’s perceived failure, if it’s spun that way, will be placed on Democrats.

I see the following scenario: a weak stimulus plan, perhaps even weaker than what we’re talking about now, is crafted to win those extra GOP votes. The plan limits the rise in unemployment, but things are still pretty bad, with the rate peaking at something like 9 percent and coming down only slowly. And then Mitch McConnell says “See, government spending doesn’t work.”

Let’s hope I’ve got this wrong.



Alas, I didn’t have it wrong — except that unemployment will, if we’re lucky, peak around 10 percent, not 9.

There was a lot of talk about health care being Obama’s Waterloo. It won’t, I think and hope. But stimulus is starting to look like Obama’s Anzio — the battle in which the American commander got himself into terrible trouble by being too cautious.

And right now Obama is pinned down in his too-small beachhead, taking heavy casualties.






The banks are still not helping regular people. Regular people in massive numbers have lost their jobs, homes, health care and savings. The stimulus is falling short of what is needed to support regular people.

This is shaping up to be an F-5 tornado.



IMHO, the most serious mistake this administration has made thus far is to elevate Tim Geithner and Larry Summers as top financial advisors, while relegating Paul Volcker and Austan Goolsbee to the basement.




But, then, I'm just one of the peasants.



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Thickasabrick Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-04-09 12:11 PM
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1. I wish one of the yahoos advising the president would get behind
a direct stimulus that would go to workers and small businesses. It's time. Infrastructure projects are good but too slow - we need something very soon.
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leveymg Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-04-09 12:19 PM
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4. I wish he would fire all the yahoos advising the President on economics, and hire Spitzer, Steiglitz
Edited on Sun Oct-04-09 12:19 PM by leveymg
That's what needs to be done. Full-scale firings of the Wall St. toadies who got us into this mess. They failed, they're fired. That's how it's done in a Free Market, right? Or, is more socialism for the rich the only way? At some point, the Bush Depression becomes Barack's.
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lib_wit_it Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-04-09 12:25 PM
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5. Yes, Fire the failures! And get our freakin' money back.from those profitable companies. How are
they allowed to make huge profits and not pay back the bailouts? Have they been paid back and I just missed it?
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HillbillyBob Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-04-09 01:25 PM
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10. What you said!
Also what irritates me is the funds that are given to these assholes enriches and rewards their bad behavior, but our household while strapped money wise we do pay loans(car and house) on time. We want to get a loan to put additional insulation in the house, replace windows and doors,to put in solar power, we're in the woods, and power can go out at any time for how ever long. Without power we have no water since we have a well.

Well we can't get any assistance, the local power co op is supposed to have loans available but insist that solar panels are a waste and will not make the loans to anyone, in fact they are downright dismissive when I called to speak to them about it. They were also skeptical that we had cut our power use in 1/2 in about 2 years and we are not sitting in the dark w/o heat or hot water. They insist that I could not have reduced power w/o having them out to do a survey. I really resent being spoken to like i am a retarded child. Forget letting a jack ass like that in my house.

Yet the bastards are planning to put a coal fired power plant on the lake that supplies drinking water for the local town and is close enough to where we live that it will adversely affect my health and ecology. It will be under 15 miles up wind of us, having lived near coal mines and coal power plants before(why I moved) I know what to expect, no being outside when it is warm, no opening windows because the soot and dust will be black all over everything and the hospital trips due to the asthma attacks (and I can't afford to pay 450$ a months power bills to run the AC)
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Thickasabrick Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-04-09 01:31 PM
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13. Holy crap! Have you written an editorial to your local newspaper?
It sounds like you should be able to get some local support from like minded people who see the danger of the coal plant coming. I live in an area that's powered by a nuke plant so have not been exposed to coal plants that I can remember.

Does the local co-op have annual meetings?
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Individualist Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-05-09 11:03 AM
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27. He's the one who selected the yahoos, so I doubt he'll fire them.
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Gman2 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-04-09 12:13 PM
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2. Until we show mass anger, we are the invisible sure votes.
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Thickasabrick Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-04-09 01:32 PM
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14. I think we shall see some of that mass anger in 2010 if we don't
see some things turn around pretty quickly.
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FredStembottom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-04-09 12:16 PM
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3. Nice compendium of current thinking, seafan!
Useful.

I think the respondents to the poll you posted are being hopeful for 33% of them to think that the Average Working Person has been helped at all by the O-Admin.!
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Davis_X_Machina Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-04-09 12:34 PM
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6. This is exactly why, in an emergency...
...our President has the power to dissolve Congress, and rule by decree.
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BR_Parkway Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-04-09 01:37 PM
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17. Considering what Shrub got passed or delegated himself in a signing statement
I wouldn't be surprised if that were true (not saying it would be Constitutional)
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Davis_X_Machina Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-04-09 02:28 PM
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18. Roosevelt was offered basically that deal, and didn't take it....
...another corporatist sellout. Fake liberal. Tool of the vested interests, FDR was.
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secondwind Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-04-09 12:42 PM
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7. Am a lay person and know nothing about economics. But this being a capitalist nation,


could it be because we needed to help the Bigger Banks and Corporations first? Hoping that if they stabilized these, that people would not lose their jobs, homes, etc?

Just sayin'.
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RKP5637 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-04-09 01:03 PM
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8. To me, that was the intent in a fair capitalistic system, but what we have is greed and
manipulative behavior in a runaway capitalistic system... and in a country wherein a true democracy is a fading dream.
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Fumesucker Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-04-09 01:35 PM
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16. I'm under the impression that those banks and corporations are supposed to be run by the best
And brightest, to coin a phrase.

If the best and brightest have gotten themselves in trouble how about the rest of us peons?

Are we supposed to be more successful than the best and the brightest?

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Romulox Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-05-09 10:56 AM
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25. It's not "capitalism" if the government guarantees your profits. nt
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Triana Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-04-09 01:09 PM
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9. Sent to whitehouse.gov
along with the suggestion that they need to have white house operatives reading DU every day. (yep, they probably do)

and

that they need to go see Moore's film.

...along with some other comments. I email them almost weekly. I'm sure it goes into the bit-bucket. Well, I KNOW it does because even when I request a response (recent one on health care) - I didn't get one.
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Thickasabrick Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-04-09 01:34 PM
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15. +1 Thank you for your persistence. nt
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Torn_Scorned_Ignored Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-05-09 10:01 AM
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23. I'm wondering why
the comments to the WH even have a 'Response Requested' on their form...
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Triana Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-05-09 10:47 AM
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24. It looks good....
....but does nothing. And that's all I had better say about that little phenomenon. :x
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Oregone Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-04-09 01:25 PM
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11. Perception isn't an objective measure of reality
...except for in politics
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pleah Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-04-09 01:25 PM
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12. K&R
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Aragorn Donating Member (784 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-05-09 08:28 AM
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19. Did you conduct this poll?
Maybe I missed it but I don't see a citation or source reference.
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seafan Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-05-09 09:07 AM
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20. At the link below the graph: Poll is by Geoff Garin, a Democratic strategist
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Greybnk48 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-05-09 09:26 AM
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21. K&R
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Laelth Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-05-09 09:59 AM
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22. Excellent post. Thanks. k&r n/t
:dem:

-Laelth
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Romulox Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-05-09 10:58 AM
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26. I knew this was going to happen back in the primaries. One name: Austan Goolsbee.
:puke:
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mdmc Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-08-09 12:47 PM
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28. --
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