Do you know when we will leave Afghanistan and be fully out of Iraq

[AllentownJake]

When we run out of money to pay for it.

Seriously, the fact is some people are making some big $$$$$ on this war and it isn't in their interest for it to stop. Therefore as long as those guys are making big $$$$$ and sending it to the congress critters in legalized bribes, we aren't leaving there.

[bigwillq]

1. Or when we stop giving out money for it (nt)

[AllentownJake]

5. Well as long as they can borrow money from foriegn countries

to pay for our occupying forces, we will have money to pay for it.

[WCGreen]

2. Well, we are sill in Gernany and still in Korea and still in Japan...

[AllentownJake]

3. we haven't run out of money to pay for that either

You know why the Soviet Army is no longer in Poland, East Germany, and the Baltics?

They couldn't pay for the bases anymore and feed their people.

[MidwestRick]

Because there is no

Soviet Army any longer?

[AllentownJake]

14. Why is there no longer a Soviet Army?

One of the reasons was during the 1980s the United States of America made a deal with several Persian Gulf states led by Saudi Arabia to begin to export more oil to drive down the price of oil, which was the Soviet Unions chief export in trade.

Despite what people believe the Soviet Union did engage in trade with the west and their main export was oil and their main import was food.

The United States put the screws to them economically which led to the collapse of the government.

[WCGreen]

16. That makes a lot of sense....

I guess undermining an enemies economy just isn't as sexy as a star wars protection device...

[Echo In Light]

4. When it's no longer profitable for vested interests, financially, strategically, and ideologically

[lib2DaBone]

6. They tried to sell $50 Billion in Tres Debt yesterday....only sold $24 Billion.

We are running out of money.. no one wants to lend to us anymore because we don't "MAKE" anything in the USA.

How can we pay back loans if we don't "make" anything and there are no jobs?

Apparently , no one in our current leadership has figured this out yet.

I'm no expert on bond trading... but I know that this is NOT good.
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For release at 10:00 a.m. EDT (Oct. 6)

On October 5, 2009, the Federal Reserve conducted an auction of $50 billion in 70-day credit through its Term Auction Facility. Following are the results of the auction: Stop-out rate: 0.250 percent

Total propositions submitted: $24.830 billion

Total propositions accepted: $24.830 billion

Bid/cover ratio: 0.50

[AllentownJake]

7. Max Keiser says there is another angle

China, France, the emerging countries like Brazil, and Russia are sick and tired of the United States destabilizing things and they have decided one way to make us stop is to starve us of capital to finance our military.

Russia should know something about this, the United States made a pact with Saudi Arabia to starve the Russians of Capital by flooding the world with cheap oil during the 1980s which is one of the major causes of the collapse of the Soviet Empire.

They got less food for their oil.

[Tierra_y_Libertad]

8. Pretty soon, the MIC will be "defending" nothing but breadlines and soup kitchens.

[LuvNewcastle]

9. One thing we still produce in this country

is battle gear. Ships, planes, tanks, and Hummers are still made here and that industry makes a lot of dough for contractors and employs a lot of people. If we're going to get out of these wars and stay out, we're going to have to come up with some new ideas for our economy.

[AllentownJake]

10. Those factories could easily be converted

into building public transportation infrastructure and wind mills.

We stopped buying and paying for as much of that stuff in the 90s and our economy did this odd thing. We balanced the budget and it grew.

[LuvNewcastle]

11. I was thinking that we could invest

more in space exploration, too. Nobody should get killed doing that.:)

[AllentownJake]

12. I'm ambivalent on Space Exploration

But if I had a choice, I'd rather our money be spent on a scientific adventure than on blowing the shit out of a country to go through our munitions stock piles.

[Brigid]

13. But we have already run out of money to pay for it.

How many trillion are we in debt now? I've lost track. :shrug:

[AllentownJake]

15. People are still lending us money

Once that stops and we begin printing money to pay for things (something we have already started) than the dollar will begin to fall and resources we need for war will become more expensive. Oil being the biggest resource.

In addition, our domestic economy will suffer because most of our industries are dependent on oil to make them run.