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Roland99 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-15-09 05:49 PM
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New York Times Admits Shutting Out Single-Payer
Edited on Thu Oct-15-09 05:53 PM by Roland99
New York Times Admits Shutting Out Single-Payer
http://www.prwatch.org/node/8612

Source: Fairness & Accuracy in Reporting, October 13, 2009

The media analysis group Fairness and Accuracy in Reporting (FAIR) issued an action alert September 22 titled "NYT Slams Single-Payer" that described lopsided reporting in a New York Times article about "Medicare for all," a form of a single-payer health care system. FAIR noted that the article, titled "Medicare for All? ‘Crazy,’ ‘Socialized’ and Unlikely", laid out a list of arguments against single-payer while failing to include any balancing responses from the option's supporters. In explaining the slant, article author Katharine Seelye said she was trying to explain why Medicare-for-all was "not going anywhere." "I thought the substance of had been dealt with elsewhere many times," she said. On October 13, Times public editor Clark Hoyt conceded that FAIR "had a point," and agreed that the article excluded the point of view of single-payer health care system supporters. FAIR said it finds Seelye's defense "alarming," and points out that the Times, like the rest of the corporate-owned media, has given the issue of single-payer health care "scant attention."



Has Murdoch already taken it over or something???

:mad:



Seriously! What is so damned radical about this?!


H.R. 676
http://www.pnhp.org/publications/united_states_national_health_care_act_hr_676.php


text: http://www.pnhp.org/docs/nhi_bill_final1.pdf


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Walk away Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-15-09 05:54 PM
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1. That's why I don't buy it anymore.
I would rather read it free on line until they start to tell the truth.
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Leopolds Ghost Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-15-09 06:01 PM
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6. What's scary is that the newspapers going out of business are the liberal ones -- Seattle PI
Seattle Times is growing in the wealthy, republican suburbs, Seattle PI was strangled by city-only circulation. Washington Post is strangling its print division and killed off its award-winning book review section (one of the few left in the US) for not being a "profit center". And they're getting rewarded for it.

STOP READING IT ONLINE PEOPLE. All you're doing is making them think they can get away with further killing print journalism.
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elleng Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-15-09 05:58 PM
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2. Seelye is sleazy, so she gets the stories they want to dirty up.
Murdoch not necessary.
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Demoiselle Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-15-09 05:58 PM
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3. Kit Seelye was a Gore-slammer in '2000.
And what is that crap about "I thought the substance had been dealt with elsewhere many times..." Gee, where Ms. Seelye? The NYTimes? Or ANYWHERE?
And what kind of excuse it that for a reporter to make?
OOOOH I'm so angry.
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blm Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-15-09 06:06 PM
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9. She is scum.....
.
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underpants Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-15-09 06:00 PM
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4. We can try to understand, The New York Times' effect on man.
Well, you can tell by the way I use my walk,
I'm a woman's man, no time to talk.
Music loud and women warm.
I've been kicked around since I was born.
And now it's all right, it's O.K.
And you may look the other way.
We can try to understand
The New York Times' effect on man.
Whether you're a brother
Or whether you're a mother,
You're stayin' alive, stayin' alive.
Feel the city breakin'
And ev'rybody shakin'
And we're stayin' alive, stayin' alive.
Ah, ha, ha, ha,
Stayin' alive.
Stayin' alive.
Ah, ha, ha, ha,
Stayin' alive.
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sendero Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-15-09 06:01 PM
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5. This is why..
.... I'm looking forward to the flaming death of the print media. They are nothing but a bunch of liars and propagandists, outdone only slightly by TV.
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Leopolds Ghost Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-15-09 06:05 PM
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8. You shouldn't be, the Internet is even worse. Like cheering for what GM did to the trolleys.
Here on DU, half of all news is print media and half of it is cable-driven. Kill print journalism and you won't see anything on DU except what's airing on cable. That's already been my experience -- if it ain't on cable it doesn't generate any discussion on the blogs. Look at the "boy in the baloon". Cable generated controversy. People not tuned to their TVs not driving the discussion.

Kill print journalism and you get a TV driven, AP driven news online and off. I hate when "progressives" crow about how they don't buy books or newspapers. Time to read or watch Fahrenheit 451 again.
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Roland99 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-15-09 06:26 PM
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13. I'm actually reading that right now. Just started. Had never read it before.
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Jkid Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-15-09 06:35 PM
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17. If you kill off print journalism, you won't get any REAL local news at all.
Local tv broadcasts are addicted to crime, fires, and disasters.
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sendero Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-15-09 06:45 PM
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20. Don't Care....
.... I really want newspapers to DIE. There s NO NEWS in them anyway, just spin, spin and more spin.
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sendero Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-15-09 06:48 PM
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22. There is next to nothiing..
... of value in a newspaper or in television news. The country would be better off without them.
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G_j Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-15-09 06:02 PM
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7. well, they helped deceive Americans into the Iraq war
so this certainly is fitting.
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stray cat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-15-09 06:09 PM
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10. Since when is the NY times a voting senator or house member
Edited on Thu Oct-15-09 06:09 PM by stray cat
I think someone is missing how legislation is made
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slipslidingaway Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-15-09 06:12 PM
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11. FAIR 1993 - Healthcare Reform: Not Journalistically Viable?
Edited on Thu Oct-15-09 06:13 PM by slipslidingaway
http://www.fair.org/index.php?page=1519

More links here...
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=389&topic_id=6499259&mesg_id=6499259

"In an October 1992 editorial, the New York Times proclaimed that "the debate over healthcare reform is over. Managed competition has won." This outcome, the Times announced (10/10/92), was "delicious" and "wondrous."

...The media slant in favor of managed competition seen before the 1992 election (see Extra!, 1-2/93) continues. While the phrase "managed competition" appeared in 62 New York Times news stories in the six months following the 1992 election, "single-payer" appeared in only five news stories during that period--never in more than a single-sentence mention.


...The justification media managers give for the imbalance of attention is that while managed competition is supported by the Clinton administration, a single-payer system is not "politically viable." What this means is that news judgements are based on elite preferences, not on popular opinion: The New York Times' own polling since 1990 has consistently found majorities--ranging from 54 percent to 66 percent--in favor of tax-financed national health insurance..."



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FiveGoodMen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-15-09 06:24 PM
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12. Nice to hear them admit it
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TreasonousBastard Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-15-09 06:31 PM
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14. Amazing! The Times doesn't report on something that...
doesn't have the snowball's chance of happening during our lifetimes.

The dirty dogs-- who says non news shouldn't be heard, too.

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Roland99 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-15-09 06:32 PM
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15. And thanks for completely missing the point! Ever stop to think that if they DID report it.....
that more would support and even demand it?


Guess that thought never crossed your mind, though.
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TreasonousBastard Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-15-09 07:02 PM
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23. Nope-- the whole idea has been DOA since the beginning...
of talks. Any thoughts that it ever had a chance are delusions.

Not one person with any real responsibility for health care reform has EVER even hinted that it was possible. It's a dream fostered by some organizations and politicans out of the loop.



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Roland99 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-15-09 07:12 PM
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24. Ending slavery, women's suffrage, civil rights, same-sex marriage.
All of those were seemingly impossible at some point in time, too.
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Overseas Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-15-09 06:34 PM
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16. K&R. Open Up Medicare! Single Payer Now! //nt
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inna Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-15-09 06:39 PM
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18. ...
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Roland99 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-15-09 06:40 PM
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19. +Infinity! (But Obama calls it "too radical")
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OHdem10 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-15-09 06:48 PM
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21. The Elite of the Media Elite prefers the Aristrocrisy. We must maintain
a tiered Health Care System. Do not expect us to be mingling
with the peons.

One could have expected the Times to shut down single payer.
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