Tax refugees staging escape from New York

[Craftsman]

New Yorkers are fleeing the state and city in alarming numbers -- and costing a fortune in lost tax dollars, a new study shows.

More than 1.5 million state residents left for other parts of the United States from 2000 to 2008, according to the report from the Empire Center for New York State Policy. It was the biggest out-of-state migration in the country.

The vast majority of the migrants, 1.1 million, were former residents of New York City -- meaning one out of seven city taxpayers moved out.

"The Empire State is being drained of an invaluable resource -- people," the report said.
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http://www.nypost.com/p/news/local/tax_refugees_staging_escape_from_qb4pItQ71UXIc0i6cd3UpK

[Hassin Bin Sober]

1. "The center, part of the conservative Manhattan Institute"

Who is this and why should I believe ANYTHING they say?

[Craftsman]

3. Do you have fact to refutiate the message or just attack the messenger

[Hassin Bin Sober]

6. Nah. Why wrestle with pigs?

The New York Post? The Manhattan Institute? Are you fucking kidding me?

There is NOTHING in that raw data to support their conclusions.

All I saw was a study of slightly higher earning residents moving to New Jersey and Florida - hmmm why would people move to Florida? ... and slightly lower earning people replacing them. I can think of several reasons why people would leave the city - especially as their income increases and they age.




Hey, if you want to swallow tripe from the NYP like "Tax Refugees" , "escape from New York"and "Fled" be my guest, sucker.

Isn't it great how the right wing noise machine works? Some douche bag "Institute" makes wholly unfounded conclusions, the propaganda arm or the republican party prints it (and adds a little pizazz) with douche-bag action words - and then people like you swallow it and spread it on DU.

And then I'm not supposed to "attack the messenger".

[sabrina 1]

7. Article was published on Drudge first. This is how the

rightwing noise machine works. Send it to Drudge. Fox and the rest get it from there, and Murdoch's minions spread it around the rightwing blogs until it becomes accepted 'fact'.

Read the comments on the Post, homophobic, anti-immigrant rantings at their worst.

But, with just a tiny bit of googling, one of the two 'lefties' posting there, who knows why they bother, came up with some facts and a little backgrand on the rightwing think tank feeding this drivel to the rest of the noise machine.

Here's his comment:

Greg

10/27/2009 2:24 PM

Check this gold nugget. I just happened to read another article today about how NYC gained 4% population over the last decade. So it made me curious about this particular study. "...according to the report from the Empire Center for New York State Policy."

Empire Center for New York State Policy is a part of the non-partisan and non-profit Manhattan Institute for Policy Research. The Manhattan Institute for Policy Research is a conservative, market-oriented think tank. The Institute, known for its advocacy of free market-based solutions to policy problems, supports and publicizes research on taxes, welfare, crime, the legal system, urban life, race, education and immigration among others.

Now this alone does not automatically invalidate the findings of the study, but I already feel like this is an ad for tax cuts.

Not a surprise to see the facts being manipulated by such sources to push for lower taxes for the wealthy, more persecution of undocumented workers and to undermine Democrats. Looks like a very slanted, to their pov, report as always from these rightwing think tanks.

From the rightwing 'think tanks' to Murdoch's and the Moonie media empire, to rightwing blogs, and I guess even to Dem blogs now. Not that it's bad to know what they're doing, but imho, anything coming from known Murdoch/Rightwing sources should be presented with great skepticism for analysis, not as 'news' until it's been thoroughly checked out.

An example of some of the regular comments on Murdoch's NYPost:

Ahksehl

10/27/2009 8:56 PM

Guess there will be nothing left in NY City soon except gays and middle easterneres....then eventually just middle easterners. You see the gays would never move out of NYC because Christian America is so Intolllllllerant. They say things like, "homosexuality is a sin", ooooh, such meanies. The middle easterners don't say anything, they just kill gays. LOL

[sabrina 1]

4. Well, the NY Post is one of Rudolph Murdoch's rightwing

publications. Few people other than probably the same audience Fox gets, read it. He is losing a lot of revenue on that paper and is basically funding it himself as it is important to keep the propaganda machine running.

As for high taxes in NYC, the real problem in NYC is the 'gentrification' of the area making it a haven for millionaires, but not for ordinary working class people. Rents that are outrageously high for studio apartments eg, keep the city 'safe for the elite'. It started under Giuliani, and continues under Bloomberg.

Property values are so inflated you would have to be a billionaire to afford to buy anything now in NYC even if taxes were the lowest in the country.

Trust a rightwing publication though, to blame everything on taxes ~

[hedgehog]

2. IMO, the real problem is that New Yorkers are following jobs out of the state.

I won't say all our tax money gets spent wisely, but most of our schools are pretty good, we have libraries in even the smallest towns, the state universities are first rate and affordable, the roads get plowed in winter and paved in the summer, etc. Even our unemployment benefits are pretty decent. It's a great place for a middle class person to live. The problem is, other states lure industry away by offering lower taxes or even cash incentives.

The worst part is that we are asked to help other states pay to solve problems we don't have because we tax ourselves. For example, teachers are required to have a master's degree even to teach primary grades. Every opening has dozens of applicants because our school districts pay teachers a decent wage. Imagine how I feel when other states request volunteers because they can't fill teaching positions.

[ddeclue]

5. RW Propaganda...framed that way too..