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WilliamPitt (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Nov-07-09 11:36 AM Original message |
“When a white guy shoots up a post office, they call that going postal. But when a Muslim does it... |
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aikoaiko (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Nov-07-09 11:39 AM Response to Original message |
1. Well, that reaction might come from the shooter shouting "Allahu Akbar!" as he killed people. |
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intheflow (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Nov-07-09 11:47 AM Response to Reply #1 |
2. Sure, and Timothy McVeigh wore a t-shirt that said "Don't Tread On Me." |
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patrice (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Nov-07-09 11:48 AM Response to Reply #2 |
4. And he likely had personal connections to the "Christian" Identity movement. nt |
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JVS (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Nov-07-09 12:51 PM Response to Reply #2 |
20. In the wake of his crime, I don't remember it being called going postal. I do remember a lot of... |
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PurityOfEssence (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Nov-07-09 01:25 PM Response to Reply #2 |
28. Don't Tread on Me has NO religious subtext |
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jonnyblitz (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Nov-07-09 01:36 PM Response to Reply #28 |
34. Tim McVeigh was also an agnostic NOT a christian of any sort. |
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PurityOfEssence (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Nov-07-09 03:11 PM Response to Reply #34 |
50. McVeigh asked for and received last rites from a Catholic Priest |
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spoony (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Nov-07-09 03:13 PM Response to Reply #50 |
51. "Science is my religion" |
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PurityOfEssence (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Nov-07-09 03:42 PM Response to Reply #51 |
61. His act was one against government; Hasan's seems to have been in defense of Islam |
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intheflow (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Nov-07-09 07:55 PM Response to Reply #28 |
78. Extremism is extremism. |
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aikoaiko (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Nov-07-09 06:38 PM Response to Reply #2 |
74. I thought it was the "tree of liberty" quote but either way McVeigh put all whole |
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intheflow (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Nov-07-09 07:51 PM Response to Reply #74 |
77. You're right. |
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Raine (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Nov-07-09 08:47 PM Response to Reply #2 |
80. yeah and he got executed |
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WinkyDink (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Nov-07-09 11:49 PM Response to Reply #2 |
81. Just sayin' what? Both were terrorists. Neither "just snapped". |
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Love Bug (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Nov-07-09 11:47 AM Response to Reply #1 |
3. Oh, come on. You know the minute they announced his name he was |
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C_Lawyer09 (690 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Nov-07-09 01:35 PM Response to Reply #3 |
32. I blame the individual |
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ZombieHorde (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Nov-07-09 02:22 PM Response to Reply #3 |
47. "You know the minute they announced his name he was going to become..." |
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AntiFascist (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Nov-07-09 06:34 PM Response to Reply #47 |
71. According to his family... |
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WilliamPitt (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Nov-07-09 11:49 AM Response to Reply #1 |
5. "He said officials had not confirmed Hasan made the comment." |
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spanone (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Nov-07-09 11:58 AM Response to Reply #5 |
7. that is the truth, but the media has printed and reprinted it as truth. |
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G_j (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Nov-07-09 12:01 PM Response to Reply #7 |
9. and it obviously worked |
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spanone (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Nov-07-09 12:22 PM Response to Reply #9 |
12. mr karl rove perfected that tactic...say it enough, it becomes 'truth' |
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Sebastian Doyle (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Nov-07-09 12:44 PM Response to Reply #7 |
16. Just the fact that they said he was dead for 6 hours, when he wasn't |
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aikoaiko (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Nov-07-09 03:31 PM Response to Reply #5 |
56. Its true that official have not confirmed that, but that isn't a denial either. |
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Bonobo (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Nov-07-09 11:56 AM Response to Reply #1 |
6. Others report that he said: "I ain't fucking going! I ain't fucking going!" nt |
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Barack_America (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Nov-07-09 12:39 PM Response to Reply #6 |
15. But that sounds like "Allahu Akbar" when an "Arab" says it. |
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Bonobo (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Nov-07-09 12:46 PM Response to Reply #15 |
18. Yes, indeed. LOL. nt |
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CoffinEd (248 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Nov-07-09 01:37 PM Response to Reply #15 |
37. You beat me to it! |
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rury (629 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Nov-07-09 02:18 PM Response to Reply #15 |
46. It makes me angry that American Muslims |
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C_Lawyer09 (690 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Nov-07-09 04:21 PM Response to Reply #46 |
63. Tattoo checks for a decade |
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jmm (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Nov-07-09 05:14 PM Response to Reply #63 |
65. For every tattoo check I can find dozens of stories like these- |
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HughMoran (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Nov-07-09 12:00 PM Response to Reply #1 |
8. What did McVeigh & others say? "Death to N&*^(^(*^"? |
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aikoaiko (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Nov-07-09 03:23 PM Response to Reply #8 |
55. If a Christian starting praising God before killing people, yes I would think religious beliefs were |
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malaise (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Nov-07-09 12:48 PM Response to Reply #1 |
19. Well since the person who claimed that his daughter |
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Hansel (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Nov-07-09 02:54 PM Response to Reply #19 |
48. Which makes far more sense than "Allahu Akbar". |
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SoCalDem (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Nov-07-09 02:59 PM Response to Reply #1 |
49. and postal wackos don't holler "Do NOT fold, spindle or mutilate" as they fire their guns |
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bertman (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Nov-07-09 03:22 PM Response to Reply #49 |
54. This may go back to the "they'll take any warm body" policy that is being used now to |
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truth2power (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Nov-08-09 10:54 AM Response to Reply #49 |
82. You are exactly correct, SoCal. I posted on another thread |
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slackmaster (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Nov-07-09 12:01 PM Response to Original message |
10. I don't use either of those terms. I prefer one coined by science fiction writer John Brunner |
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patrice (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Nov-07-09 12:37 PM Response to Reply #10 |
14. Stand On Zanzibar = One of THE eye-openers in my life. |
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slackmaster (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Nov-07-09 01:36 PM Response to Reply #14 |
33. I strongly recommend any and every book by Philip K. Dick |
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patrice (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Nov-07-09 02:14 PM Response to Reply #33 |
45. Thanks for the tip. I will follow up. |
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proteus_lives (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Nov-07-09 03:35 PM Response to Reply #33 |
58. Great author! |
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Bucky (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Nov-07-09 12:04 PM Response to Original message |
11. Weren't a lot of the 19 9/11 hijackers well educated? Weren't they also emotionally distraught? |
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Hansel (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Nov-07-09 03:17 PM Response to Reply #11 |
52. Which is the point that most Americans miss. |
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backscatter712 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Nov-07-09 12:25 PM Response to Original message |
13. Exactly. This isn't a politically organized attack. It is a mentally unhinged person going postal. |
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PurityOfEssence (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Nov-07-09 01:37 PM Response to Reply #13 |
36. You're leaping to conclusions; I contend that it highlights an evil within that religion |
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951-Riverside (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Nov-07-09 12:45 PM Response to Original message |
17. If you think "jihad" is offensive surely you must think "going postal" is equally offensive |
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C_Lawyer09 (690 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Nov-07-09 01:42 PM Response to Reply #17 |
39. Offensive |
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Hansel (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Nov-07-09 03:34 PM Response to Reply #39 |
57. Well since they were well aware of his behavior, yes they should |
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TwilightGardener (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Nov-07-09 12:54 PM Response to Original message |
21. It's dishonest to ignore religion as a role in any violence where |
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bridgit (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Nov-07-09 12:56 PM Response to Original message |
22. "a white guy" once proclaimed "Sic Semper Tyrannis" too, but they didn't call it jihad back then... |
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PurityOfEssence (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Nov-07-09 01:43 PM Response to Reply #22 |
40. That, too, has NO religious component |
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bridgit (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Nov-07-09 01:57 PM Response to Reply #40 |
44. People can be "religious" about buying a certain brand of breakfast cereal too |
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PurityOfEssence (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Nov-07-09 03:53 PM Response to Reply #44 |
62. Your original reply was to disavow a religious component by using a dissimilar incident |
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David Zephyr (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Nov-07-09 06:36 PM Response to Reply #62 |
72. Clearly this guy was harrassed for being a Muslim. So your point is valid, POE. |
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bridgit (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Nov-07-09 07:20 PM Response to Reply #62 |
76. Understood, though your post above: "That, too, has NO religious component" |
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lonestarnot (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Nov-07-09 12:57 PM Response to Original message |
23. Killing for no good reason is killing, doesn't matter what it's called. Nutjobs will be nutjobs. |
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JVS (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Nov-07-09 01:11 PM Response to Original message |
24. While I do not suspect his community of encouraging his actions, I also think that it is not... |
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stray cat (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Nov-07-09 01:12 PM Response to Original message |
25. Motivation? 9-11 wasn't performed by pilots going postal |
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treestar (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Nov-07-09 01:13 PM Response to Original message |
26. So true. And the community of white men do not become associated |
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C_Lawyer09 (690 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Nov-07-09 04:26 PM Response to Reply #26 |
64. Ruby Ridge |
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stray cat (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Nov-07-09 01:13 PM Response to Original message |
27. Then why is oklahoma city considered terrorism - McVeigh was white |
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LostInAnomie (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Nov-07-09 01:26 PM Response to Original message |
29. If the shoe fits... |
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emilyg (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Nov-07-09 01:31 PM Response to Reply #29 |
30. Agree 100%. |
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twitomy (756 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Nov-07-09 06:34 PM Response to Reply #29 |
70. I agree |
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C_Lawyer09 (690 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Nov-07-09 01:33 PM Response to Original message |
31. History of the term |
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KT2000 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Nov-07-09 01:36 PM Response to Original message |
35. I am betting it was a |
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slackmaster (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Nov-07-09 01:39 PM Response to Reply #35 |
38. Or a new version of PTSD caused by his pending deployment overseas |
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C_Lawyer09 (690 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Nov-07-09 01:44 PM Response to Reply #38 |
42. Thank you |
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slackmaster (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Nov-07-09 01:47 PM Response to Reply #42 |
43. If the guy was a Christian of western European ancestry, people on this forum would be calling... |
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spoony (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Nov-07-09 03:17 PM Response to Reply #43 |
53. The traffic rushing to this site |
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proteus_lives (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Nov-07-09 03:37 PM Response to Reply #53 |
59. Yep. |
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twitomy (756 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Nov-07-09 06:39 PM Response to Reply #59 |
75. You aint shittin... |
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David Zephyr (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Nov-07-09 06:30 PM Response to Reply #53 |
69. Sticking up for Jesus, again. He's very proud of you, I'm sure. |
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KT2000 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Nov-07-09 06:37 PM Response to Reply #42 |
73. Someone who talked to him |
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SmileyRose (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Nov-07-09 01:44 PM Response to Original message |
41. Oh come on. |
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Bette Noir (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Nov-07-09 05:34 PM Response to Reply #41 |
67. Sure they do. "Crusade." |
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The Straight Story (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Nov-07-09 05:36 PM Response to Reply #67 |
68. And if someone used that word, would we just let it go here and ask people not to jump on it? |
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proteus_lives (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Nov-07-09 03:38 PM Response to Original message |
60. Don't make excuses, denounce him! |
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XemaSab (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Nov-07-09 05:21 PM Response to Original message |
66. White people can be Muslim |
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havocmom (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Nov-07-09 07:58 PM Response to Original message |
79. Mr. Benjamin has a couple of very valid points |
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