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cbdo2007 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-24-09 08:53 PM
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Don't buy into the Palin hype. They're just using her as revenge for Obama.
She seriously doesn't have a chance in hell of being the Repube candidate in 2012. No logical person would vote for someone for Pres who quit their job as Gov. Sure, there are a few million ILLOGICAL people out there who are the far right idiocracy who WILL vote for her and who are the ones keeping her in the news now, but this is just their way of getting back at us for Obama.

Think about it, they're so mad about it on so many levels the only way they know how to get back at us is by taking the person we hate the most right now and parading her around in front of us to try and weaken us.
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anonymous171 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-24-09 08:57 PM
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1. If Obama continues pissing off the left then she might actually have a chance.
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cbdo2007 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-24-09 09:02 PM
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2. Who do you think the far left is going to vote for if not Obama?
They're the only ones pissed off at him yet they're the least likely to actually support any other candidates.
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anonymous171 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-24-09 09:03 PM
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3. Some will vote for 3rd parties, most will just stay home, like they did in 2000. nt
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emilyg Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-24-09 09:41 PM
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9. Agree.
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tekisui Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-24-09 09:42 PM
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10. The left are the activists.
The left is who makes calls, knocks on doors, organizes and donates.

They won't go far with their vote. But they won't bring the entire neighborhood with them, either. And, that is how Obama could lose.
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gkhouston Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-25-09 12:15 PM
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16. um, no. There's a difference between cutting off your nose to spite your face
and cutting off your head to spite your face.
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EmeraldCityGrl Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-24-09 09:05 PM
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4. You are absolutely correct.
They've got NOTHING and they know it. She's the only thing they can use to "make Dems head's spin." If i hear that comment one more time mine will.
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Kutjara Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-24-09 09:05 PM
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5. I'm reminded of the line from "Back to the Future."
Marty McFly is back in 1955, trying to convince Doc Brown that Marty is really from the future. Doc asks, "OK future-boy, who's the President in 1985?" To which Marty replies, "Ronald Reagan." Doc says, "The actor?!? Don't make me laugh!"

Today's stupid idea is often tomorrow's reality.
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Cosmocat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-24-09 09:39 PM
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8. She is no Reagen ...
People keep wanting to make her into something she is not ...

She drug the McCain ticket down. He was near even with BO when the convetion hit, he got a convention bump, then went down in the polls from about two weeks out from that point on.

His strength as an R candidate was that he culled moderates and she drove them away.

She is no Reagen. Not even close.

Reagen spent DECADES as a prominent republican figure and activist. He had two terms as the governor of the largest state in the country. And, while he was complete empty suit by the end of his term, he had INCREDIBLE discipline in what he said at all times, especially prior to being president.

Palin up and quit her governor job halfway through her first term. She has ZERO discipline and is a moron - EVERY time she speaks she makes herself look a fool.

She is running roughshod over the party - she is going to have a HELL of time getting the kind of staff it takes to run a national campaign. There will be people who buy into her rock star image, she will get people to work for her, but she won't get the PROS. She also will not take advice, she will do what she wants.

She will raise money, she will get treated like the pop figure she is until it starts to get serious. But, once it turns into a real campaign she will not have good strategy, she will not be disciplined and she will be exposed for the vapid lunatic she is every time her mouth opens.

Mittens, Santorum, someone is going to set back and let her f up and be there for people to come running to ...

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Kutjara Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-24-09 09:54 PM
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11. I agree with everything you say, but...
Edited on Tue Nov-24-09 09:59 PM by Kutjara
...there's an extra consideration: our society is changing, and not necessarily for the better. In the Idiocracy of ten, twenty or even thirty years from now, we may just be cretinous enough to think Palin is Presidential material.

I suppose that's what I was alluding to with my BttF reference: In the world of the 1950's, the idea of any actor, let alone a second-rate one, becoming President was patently ludicrous. Particularly one who was divorced (the horror!). Actors still had the whiff of scandal about them, totally unsuited to high office. By 1980, however, we were already halfway down the road to our current National obsession with anything that can even loosely be termed "celebrity", to the extent that an actor not only could become President, it somehow seemed inevitable that he would.

Roll on a couple of decades, and now all our "representatives" are actors first, politicians second. Telegenic, soundbite politics is the rule, not the exception. And the brightest smile and twinkliest eye wins the day.

I don't think we'll quite have sunk into the catatonia necessary to elect Palin by 2012, but after that, who knows?

I've got a longstanding bet with my wife that, before I die, a reality-TV star will be President. Hell, it may even be Palin herself.
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cbdo2007 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-25-09 10:38 AM
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13. Your reasoning here is exactly why we DON'T have to worry about Palin yet.
Keep in mind it was 25 years from 1955 in Back To The Future until 1980, and in between that time Reagan had been elected Governor and had completed his term and gained respect of American's on both sides, Dem and Repube.

Palin is digging her hole deeper and deeper as the days go by because she doesn't seem to have that critical politician quality of having good natural PR. Sure she's got charisma but the "any publicity is good publicity" meme only works in Entertainment - NOT in politics.

Reagan was a professional actor who was trained to deliver words and make them sound good. He did that great. I have yet to find anything Palin is actually good at besides getting a fringe group of people excited. Hell, even the Repubes she would run against in the Primaries - Guiliani, Romney, Huckabee - will be gunning for her big time and will pretty much nail her coffin shut before we even get the chance.

The only chance she has at ANY time in the next 20 years to be Pres is if she finally settles out all these scandals, gets appointed to a position by some future Pres or some high level job where she can gain some respect over a full term and stuff for her resume, and THEN she might have a chance. In the mean time....no way. She's just being used by the people who hate Obama for "no reason" because they know we hate her so much.
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Kutjara Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-25-09 11:59 AM
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15. All sound reasons. I dearly hope you're right. n/t
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Lex Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-24-09 09:07 PM
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6. She symbolizes the joke that is the fundie right wingers
right now.

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Ozymanithrax Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-24-09 09:20 PM
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7. Logic has nothing to do with politics.
People do not take logical political stands, they only justify their political beliefs as logical exactly in the same way the justify angels dancing on the head of a pin as logical.

Having talked with more than a few of the deluded crew on the right, they really do think Palin is their Conservative Messiah. She speaks their language. Should she not be raptured between now and November of 2010, I suspect she will announce an exploratory committee very soon after the midterms. She will run#1 with a bullet for some time. She will force every other Republican to run to the right. It will be fun to watch.
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Blue For You Donating Member (466 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-24-09 09:58 PM
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12. That makes sense. She's too f*cking stupid to be president.
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Frank Cannon Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-25-09 12:57 PM
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18. That's what I said about GWB
In all fairness, though, compared to Palin, Dubya is an intellectual Hercules.
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Blue For You Donating Member (466 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-25-09 01:22 PM
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19. Yeah, I should clarify that she could still end up in the WH.
:scared:
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EOTE Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-25-09 10:47 AM
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14. I get a big grin on my face every time I see her.
She can't open her mouth without sticking her foot in it. And even though I'm upset with Obama, every time I see her, I'm more convinced the country made the right choice and thank god she's not a heart beat away from the presidency. The more I see of Moosilini, the better.
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Winterblues Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-25-09 12:51 PM
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17. Pity maybe but not hate..
She is not the person I hate most by any stretch of the imagination... Dick Cheney, now that's another story...
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cbdo2007 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-25-09 03:09 PM
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20. Good point! But even the Repubes can't even find anything to like about Cheney.
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