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Truth2Tell Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-12-09 12:44 AM
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Why Do Airstrikes in Afghanistan Keep Killing Exactly 30 People?
http://airamerica.com/news/12-10-2009/us-fudging-casualty-numbers-afghanistan/

On Monday, the anonymous blogger Security Crank http://securitycrank.wordpress.com/2009/12/07/winning-the-war-30-taliban-at-a-time/">noticed something interesting: all the U.S. and NATO airstrikes in Afghanistan seemingly kill exactly 30 people every time. How can that be?

Security Crank documented no less than 12 occasions in which news reports, relying on field commanders' estimates, noted that exactly 30 suspected Taliban were killed in airstrikes and, occasionally, artillery attacks. He says:

But the much more important point remains: how could we possibly have any idea how the war is going, here or anywhere else, when the bad guys seem only to die in groups of 30? The sheer ubiquity of that number in fatality and casualty counts is astounding, to the point where I don’t even pay attention to a story anymore when they use that magic number 30. It is an indicator either of ignorance or deliberate spin… but no matter the case, whenever you see the number 30 used in reference to the Taliban, you should probably close the tab and move onto something else, because you just won’t get a good sense of what happened there.


So, why is it always 30? Do thirty casualties seem like enough to justify a military attack, or few enough to not attract too much attention to an incident?

Another blogger, Joshua Foust of the Central Asia blog http://www.registan.net/">Registan, seemingly stumbled upon the answer...

...from an http://articles.latimes.com/2009/jul/26/opinion/oe-goldberg26?pg=3">LA Times article from last July by Nicholas Goldberg that documented what field commanders were told:

In a grisly calculus known as the "collateral damage estimate," U.S. military commanders and lawyers often work together in advance of a military strike, using very specific, Pentagon-imposed protocols to determine whether the good that will come of it outweighs the cost.

We don't know much about how it works, but in 2007, Marc Garlasco, the Pentagon's former chief of high-value targeting, offered a glimpse when he told Salon magazine that in 2003, "the magic number was 30." That meant that if an attack was anticipated to kill more than 30 civilians, it needed the explicit approval of then-Defense Secretary Donald H. Rumsfeld or President George W. Bush. If the expected civilian death toll was less than 30, the strike could be OKd by the legal and military commanders on the ground.


...That PR calculus of how many deaths matter to the average American has apparently carried over from the Bush Administration to the Obama Adminstration, at least insofar as ground commanders are concerned. But the American people deserve the truth about how many Afghans--civilian and otherwise--are being killed by our forces. Just because senior officials at the Pentagon think that killing 30 people doesn't warrant their attention doesn't mean they're right.
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Cetacea Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-12-09 12:55 AM
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1. Yeah, huh.
K+R
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nadinbrzezinski Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-12-09 12:56 AM
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2. Well we are using smart munitions you know...
Edited on Sat Dec-12-09 12:56 AM by nadinbrzezinski
:-)

They can count

That one caught my eye as well. And I wonder if there was a question of what works internally (pakistan)
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Ghost in the Machine Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-12-09 12:58 AM
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3. Smart Bombs... duuuhhhh!
:hi:


















:evilgrin:
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Fire_Medic_Dave Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-12-09 01:01 AM
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4. Seems the crank can't read very well.
As many as, up to, at least, during the last 24 hours all were apparently ignored.
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ddeclue Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-12-09 01:08 AM
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5. Predator drones only equipped with single 30 round banana clip but they never miss!
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Mithreal Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-12-09 05:01 AM
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6. K&R
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Selatius Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-12-09 05:42 AM
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7. They're obviously pulling numbers out of their ass. Big kill counts are good PR.
This is just like Viet Nam again with body counts being a measure of success. You could be carpet bombing the whole countryside, and it still wouldn't stop the resistance. If they had studied their history, they would know that these tribesmen have never given up to anyone. They'd rather fight and die than be subject to the will of a foreign army. You can't defeat a people like that.
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MrScorpio Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-12-09 06:13 AM
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8. We don't care if they do
That's pretty much the answer
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