If Jane Hamsher of Firedog Lake is teaming up with

[shraby]

Grover Norquist, from here on out, I will not believe a thing that comes from Jane Hamsher/Norquist. We all know he lies and by extension I question her veracity and also whether it's coming from Norquist or Hamsher.
Since I can't believe what they say, I won't bother reading it either.
You can't argue with drunks, fools or liars.

[shraby]

1. I see the unrecommend trolls are at it again..this went

from 3 recommends to 0 all in a short time. Whoops! It's in the minus column now.

[EFerrari]

3. I've rec'd it, shraby. ETA: Let's have the discussion.

[Wilms]

4. The reason is simple. Unlike, apparently, you others feel as though...

There are questions to be answered and answers to be questioned.

[WeDidIt]

6. You make sense, ergo, the firebaggers must destroy you.

It's so simple, you see?

[HughMoran]

7. up to 6 now

K&R

[TheWraith]

14. Kicked and recommended. nt

[EFerrari]

2. I agree with that. By the same token, if our president teams up with

Bush fixers (Gates), guys who hide abused prisoners from the ICRC (McChrystal), criminals from Goldman Sachs (too many to count), the de facto and murderous Honduran government against the people, what the hell do I make of that?

Another young member of resistance Renán Fajardo Argueta found dead
http://hondurasresists.blogspot.com/2009/12/another-young-member-of-resistance.html

Call out Jane all you want. But, there are plenty of counter examples to make this not a great idea.

[murielm99]

5. What do you make of that?

You criticize the President, here and elsewhere. Write to him. Make your feelings known.

People can do that about Hamsher, too, if they feel like it. What is the problem? People disagree.

[EFerrari]

8. I don't understand your impulse to 1) give me advice

or 2) to point out the obvious.

[HughMoran]

10. I will vouch for that

You neither listen to advice or acknowledge the obvious.

That's a twofer!!

[JVS]

11. LOL!

[Cleita]

9. There's a lot of weird thinking coming out of this health care debacle.

When listening to the senators debate last week I found myself agreeing to a lot of what the Republicans were saying. Some were almost making the case for single payer and I don't think they meant to. They are being contrarians and I can see sort of why Hamsher and Norquist found some basis of agreement. I hope she snaps out of it and realizes that he is a liar. I still don't believe she is a liar but somewhat deluded. She was very upset with some of the anti-women legislation in the bill as she is a three times breast cancer survivor.

[EFerrari]

12. She knows exactly what he is above and beyond simply being a liar.

She's taking a huge risk and I don't really understand it.

[Cleita]

13. I really don't either and I'm

sort of giving her the benefit of the doubt. I hope some radio or TV host gives her some time on the air to explain herself.

[snagglepuss]

15. She is doing it so this issue gets the attention it deserves and her plan is working.

A poster in another thread asked whether only Obama is permitted to engage in bi-partisnship. If Obama isn't being compromised by the the likes of Lieberman, why should Jane be utterly compromised by partnering with Norquist?

[fascisthunter]

20. No Shit... now there's the Obvious Truth

and why I don't buy this anti-Jane shit at all... what a bunch of hypocrites, and how embarrassing. These naive fools have given the right wing so much ammo... good luck in trying to outdo the GOP, in snuggling up to corporations and their philosophy.

[snagglepuss]

23. I object to snuggling being used in this context. No one snuggles up to

corporations, they slither.

[fascisthunter]

30. lol

[EFerrari]

27. Yes, I said the other day that she is mirroing White House behavior

right back at them.

[CoffeeCat]

28. I am wondering if she isn't...

...showcasing the notion that those who are against the corporate takeover of our government--had
better start joining hands and resisting with like-minded folks--even if you do stand on opposing
political sides.

I disagree with Norquist on just about everything. However, look at his core beliefs. He doesn't like
government. He wants small government--small enough for his famous bathtub. Can you imagine the anger and disgust
he has for the growth of our current government? Growth that is fueled criminal activity between corrupt elected
officials and greedy corporations; the bank bailouts, the healthcare bill, etc.

I'm not sure, but it's possible that Hamsher and Norquist are setting an example--and showing us all that
we must join forces if we are to defeat this menacing takeover of our government.

It could also be a signal to Obama--that alliances are being formed and that people are not sitting still
while all of this nonsense happens.

At the end of the day--each of us disagrees with the tea-partiers and other right-wingers--on more issues
that we can count. However, many of us agree that the corporate corruption has to stop. We also agree
that we need campaign finance reform and that "We The People" should control the government--not corporations
that bribe our politicians.

If we don't clear up this corruption and this corporate takeover of our democracy--then we all lose.

Maybe Hamsher and Norquist are trying to start a revolution?

[EFerrari]

29. Norquist is not against corporate corruption.

He is against government interfering with that corruption. :shrug:

[msongs]

16. so if Obama agrees with George W Bush you are gonna dump Obama? nt

[azmouse]

17. kick

[jgraz]

18. "Joe Lieberman's a man with a good heart, who cares about the working families of America"

-- Presidential Candidate Barack Obama, endorsing Joseph I. Lieberman for Senate.

[fascisthunter]

22. Remember Ed Lamont... who did Obama support then?

oh that's right.... Lieberman

[laughingliberal]

19. So, was he lying when he made the following statement?

Grover Norquist, a principal organizer of the conservative movement who is close to the Bush White House and usually supports its policies, says, "If you interpret the Constitution's saying that the president is commander in chief to mean that the president can do anything he wants and can ignore the laws you don't have a constitution: you have a king." He adds, "They're not trying to change the law; they're saying that they're above the law and in the case of the NSA wiretaps they break it." A few members of Congress recognize the implications of what Bush is doing and are willing to speak openly about it

http://www.nybooks.com/articles/19092

And did all of DU then decide the FISA violations were OK because Grover Norquist condemned them? He is a dirtbag but he was right about this and he called Bush on his power grab.

[fascisthunter]

21. So How do You Feel about Lieberman and Obama?

hell, throw in the whole fricking admin and just look at their past.

[MH1]

24. Lieberman may be an arrogant scumbag but he is not 1/10th as bad as Norquist.

[sabrina 1]

25. What do you think of Clinton hanging out with

Norguist's boss and fellow traveler, George Bush Sr.?

Obama's friends from the ranks of the anti-gay religious fundie brigade and others?

How about the Democrats forming alliances with Republicans, like Ted Kennedy and Orrin Hatch?

What about Democrats who party with Karl Rove (remember that?)

I don't get the vitriol over a blogger following Democrats', like Obama's, advice that sometimes we have to 'reach across the aisle to get things done' while Obama, Clinton, Ted Kennedy who actually have power and who have actually made deals that affect all of us, get a pass.

If it were up to me, I am against any Democrat hanging out with Bush Sr., or inviting the most rightwing fundies to give speeches at Democratic events. That felt like a slap in the face to me. Or making secret deals with Big Pharma. Or to make deals with the most rightwing Republicans in Congress, or for that matter hanging out with Karl Rove or Grover Norquist. But I'm sure I'd be called 'politically naive and a purist' (which I have been) for saying so.

She's a blogger! The reaction to this is beyond belief. But mostly it is unbelievably hypocritical if the same vitriol is not directed at the rest of the Dems who form alliances with the far right.

[varelse]

26. Two legs bad.

four legs good.

Recommending this because I want to see the discussion :D