Venezuelan police break up anti-Chavez protest (Fascists at it again)

[naaman fletcher]

By FABIOLA SANCHEZ
The Associated Press
Thursday, February 4, 2010; 5:46 PM
CARACAS, Venezuela -- Police used tear gas, plastic bullets and water cannons to scatter hundreds of students protesting against the government Thursday, while President Hugo Chavez's supporters celebrated the 18th anniversary of his failed coup as an army officer.

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2010/02/04/AR2010020403778.html

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Typical biased post, calling these fascists "students".

[Ozymanithrax]

1. While it is not typical "facist" (totalitarian is a better word) crap to break up a student protest?

[liberalhistorian]

2. Chavez is a brutal dictator who puts on a good show

for the gullible but who doesn't allow any dissent and smashes down any tiny flicker of it. Oh, yeah, and there's also that little "leader for life" thingie he's so desperate to enact.

[cali]

3. He's not a dicator.

He's an elected leader who's quite popular in his country. Now, I'm not a Chavezophile but the ridiculous crap about him being a dictator is just absurd.

[Cali_Democrat]

13. Hitler was also an elected leader who was quite popular.

Just sayin'

[leftstreet]

10. Yes! Why can't those people elect a better dictator?

:eyes:

[DavidDvorkin]

4. On what basis do you call them fascists?

And put the word students in quotes, implying that they're not really students?

[Flaneur]

5. Why don't you post all the other countries where police used tear gas last week?

Can you say "selective indignation"?

[naaman fletcher]

11. And your point is what?

That one can't discuss something in one country unless simultaneously discussing the same thing in every other country?

[Flaneur]

39. My point is that someone who posts continually about supposed abuses...

...in only one country while ignoring supposed abuses much more serious in a neighboring country (Colombia, for instance) might rightfully find himself accused of having an ax to grind.

Do you believe in human rights in Colombia as well as Venezuela? If so, posting occasionally about the situation there might make you a more credible human rights advocate on Venezuela.

[EFerrari]

6. "hundreds of students protesting against the government Thursday"

and "housands of Chavez's backers gathered to listen".

I guess thousands of Venezuelans disagree with you. :)

[naaman fletcher]

12. So your point is what?

Because the pro Chavez protesters outnumbered the anti's that it is ok to use tear gas on them?

[Flaneur]

7. Here's a slightly differerent take on the student protests:

http://mrzine.monthlyreview.org/2010/manzanarez080210.html

Violent Student Groups in Venezuela Coordinate Actions with the "Democratic Unity" Opposition Coalition
by Jesus Manzanarez
Many of the students involved belong to the youth divisions of the different political parties from the opposition. Since 2005, US government funding has gone towards training and advising youth leaders and student movements enabling them to enter the political arena.

Many question whether the recent student protests against the Chavez Administration in Venezuela are autonomous from the ongoing political opposition originating from the nation's traditional political parties that previously held power.

Though the student leadership publicly claims its actions and strategies are separate from those opposition groups that have led coup d'etats, economic sabotages and other attempts to overthrow the Venezuelan government during the past seven years, many Venezuelans, even some of the students involved in the demonstrations, believe otherwise. "They are trying to provoke violence that results in death," warned President Chavez, "it's a plan to generate destabilization and instability."

Roderick Navarro, president of the Federation of Student Centers at the Central University of Venezuela (UCV), affirmed last Friday during a television program on Globovision that the "weapon will still be the factor of surprise." Stalin Gonzalez, representative from Un Nuevo Tiempo, a far right-wing party led by fugitive Manuel Rosales, the former governor of Zulia who fled to Peru last year after being officially charged with corruption and embezzlement of state funds, said that the opposition has "no reason" to notify public authorities about the routes of their marches and demonstrations.

"Last night (last Thursday) I spoke with Roderick about some specific things happening in the marches. It's good they are doing those un expected actions because we don't want to have to go through getting permission to march or protest from the mayor's office," explained Stalin Gonzalez.

Public Protest Is a Right, But at the Expense of Public Order?

In Venezuela, like in most democratic nations, public protest and assembly is a constitutional right, but not at the expense of public order and the protection of public property or the rights of others. Just like in the US, marchers must obtain permission from local authorities before engaging in a protest in a public space, otherwise, the demonstration will be viewed as illegal and participants can be subject to arrest.

The Chavez Administration has been extremely flexible and permissive with student protestors, allowing them to march and demonstrate without proper authorization, as well as limiting detentions and State intervention to maintain order. This has permitted city streets to become more chaotic and congested, particularly in the capital, Caracas, where student protestors often block the only highway running through town, burning tires and garbage and causing hours of delays for commuters. Many residents wish the government would take a stronger stance towards controlling these public disturbances. Yet President Chavez is wary to repeat the repressive actions of prior governments that used to employ the Armed Forces with tanks, soldiers, weapons of war and riot gear to beat down, detain and in some cases, kill, protestors. During the 1960s-1980s, thousands of student activists and members of leftist groups were disappeared, detained, tortured and assassinated in Venezuela. Chavez has pledged to never repeat those violent, repressive actions of the past.

Unfortunately, the government's noble, democratic position has not been recognized by those protesting today what they consider a repressive, authoritarian regime. Ruben Dario Rivero, student representative from the UCV, considers it a step forward that student groups have reactivated and taken to the streets again. Rivero, who also belongs to the old conservative Christian party COPEI, one of two former ruling parties, declared that "coordination, unity and joint force" are necessary to combat the government today. "We receive information from the COPEI leadership in order to make decisions," he confirmed, evidencing the clear relationship between the old-school Venezuelan opposition and its new, fresh and youthful face.

Non-Violent?

"The student movement is peaceful," claim the leadership, despite the fact that protestors carry backpacks full of rocks and bottles, and usually end up throwing them at the police. At a recent concert event in Caracas, a flyer explaining how to make a molotov cocktail was passed around, along with an explanation of why it was necessary for these young opposition activists to cover their faces "with a t-shirt or bandanas" during protests so "the government and the authorities can't identify us."



The opposition Democratic Unity coalition blames the government for "repressing" the "non-violent" student protestors, claiming State forces are the first to act with violence against the "peaceful" demonstrators. But last week's opposition protests at Venezolana de Television (VTV), the public television station, and Corpoelec, the nation's electric company, proved otherwise. In both cases, the student groups agreed to conduct their protest activities peacefully, even declaring on camera that their actions are always "non-violent." Their promises went un-kept, as police forces were hit with bottles and rocks, and garbage was burned in the streets to block traffic and create congestion.

"Even when they violate the law, we guarantee their human rights," said Manuel Romero, director of the public order division of the Metropolitan Police in Caracas.

Since 2005, the United States Agency for International Development (USAID) and the National Endowment for Democracy, both US government entities, have channeled several million dollars into leadership training and political organizing for right-wing youth organizations in Venezuela. In August 2009, the US State Department sponsored the visit of eight Venezuelan student leaders from the opposition parties to meet with counterparts in the US and strategize on future activities to promote "change" in their country.


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This article was first published in the English edition of Correo del Orinoco International on 4 February 2010; it is reproduced here for non-profit educational purposes.

[naaman fletcher]

14. a well sourced article

Many of the students involved belong to the youth divisions of the different political parties from the opposition.

You mean political protesters belong to the political party not in power? Shocking!!!!

Since 2005, US government funding has gone towards training and advising youth leaders and student movements enabling them to enter the political arena.

Source?

Many question whether the recent student protests against the Chavez Administration in Venezuela are autonomous from the ongoing political opposition originating from the nation's traditional political parties that previously held power.

Many question? Who is this many? Why not quote them? Sounds more like "The author questions"

Though the student leadership publicly claims its actions and strategies are separate from those opposition groups that have led coup d'etats, economic sabotages and other attempts to overthrow the Venezuelan government during the past seven years, many Venezuelans, even some of the students involved in the demonstrations, believe otherwise. "They are trying to provoke violence that results in death," warned President Chavez, "it's a plan to generate destabilization and instability."

So, the student protesters are linked to coup's and economic sabotage based on the view of "many Venezuelans". What a joke.

[Flaneur]

42. You wanted to know about the US funding for the students?

It's called the National Endowment for Democracy, a congressionally funded non-profit organization. Through it, the two major US political parties are tasked with influencing political affairs ("supporting democracy")in other countries. It also includes an anti-revolutionary labor institute and a private enterprise institute. It is often accused of doing openly what the CIA used to do secretly: interfere in the domestic affairs of sovereign states.

You can wiki it.

Here's the NED link about what they're doing in Venezuela:

http://www.ned.org/where-we-work/latin-america-and-caribbean/venezuela

[naaman fletcher]

45. thank you. /nt

[WeDidIt]

8. Yep, that Fascist, Chavez, is at it again. Sending his jack booted thugs against students. n/t

[Marr]

9. Funny how South America's extensive collection of actual dictators somehow

manage to skate by without any negative coverage. Hell, the really harsh ones get glowing reviews. The only South/Central American leaders I recall being described in disparaging terms in the US press are the ones who didn't do as Wall Street ordered.

[naaman fletcher]

15. would you list this extensive collection please? nt

[Marr]

16. You want a list of South American dictators?

Would you like a list of nations, too?

Use Google. There've been plenty over the last few decades.

[naaman fletcher]

18. over last few decades?

your statement is saying that its not fair that Chavez gets bad press as opposed to the extensive collection of dictators, implying that there are dictators right now who deserve negative press more than Chavez.

I asked you to list them, and you come back with "over the last few decades".

So, who are these dictators supposedly worthy of more bad press than Chavez? Or are they a thing of the past?

[Marr]

20. Oh, brother- then look below at Lydia's post.

You're being intentionally obtuse.

By the way, I see no reason to restrict the discussion to people in power at this particular moment. We can do it, but I see no reason to-- except to narrow the field a bit in support of your silly argument.

[naaman fletcher]

22. Please list the extensive collection of dictators more worthy of bad press.

Why give bad press to people who are dead?

You are asserting that there is an extensive collection of dictators who are more worth of bad press than Chavez. Please list them or asknowledge that no such list exists.

[Marr]

25. I already told you--

I'm not going to spoon feed you information that anyone should already know; information you can find by typing "South American dictators" into a search engine.

You've tried to frame the argument into "what's happening at this particular instant", which is absurd. Even if we accept your silly frame, the argument can still be made. Again, I'm not going to do it for you-- read the news before you start commenting.

[naaman fletcher]

26. I did type that

and none come up.

Your point was that the media should be reporting on the "extensive collection" of dictators as opposed to Chavez. I have asked you to list them, and you refuse to.

Considering that the media is interested in "news", it doesn't make much sense to write about things that happened 20 years ago. That is mostly a subject called "history".

But, you insist that even if we discuss the present that your argument is still valid. So, please post the extensive collection of south american dictators.

It is really a simply question that you should be able to answer in about ten seconds. I have been searching and I can't find them, I guess I am stupid, so please help me out and post their names.

[Marr]

27. I hope you're being paid by the post.

Because if you're really this damned stupid, it's going to make me depressed.

[naaman fletcher]

29. Please list the extensive collection of dictators more worthy of bad press.

I would consider it a big favor if you would do that for me, it will only take you ten seconds I am sure.

[alittlelark]

41. I call Bullsh*t.... Either you don't know how to use Google

or you are lying


Google
Results 1 - 10 of about 478,000 for "South American dictators". (0.31 seconds)

[naaman fletcher]

46. Or you can't read...

I can find "south american dictators" but none of them are in power.

It was stated that there are a lot of south american dictators that the press should be focusing on. I have simply asked for a list of them, and none of you can supply me with it. Of course I must conclude that they do not exist, and that you guys are just trying to deflect attention from Chavez by making phony arguments.

You could prove me wrong by posting the list of dictators that the media ought to be focusing on.

[Judi Lynn]

You should humble yourself and do the research necessary to keep up with others.

Your attempt to mix it up with the informed poster only shames you, not the other.

You have an enormous block of time, and an enormous area to cover if you intend to have any clue at all about US actions, policy, history with Latin America and Caribbean countries.

Instead of challenging people to explain to you what you DON'T know, an endless job, you need to start taking responsibilty for yourself, just as the rest of us have.

[naaman fletcher]

23. What are you talking about?

I simply asked for this "extensive collection" of dictators who are more worthy of bad press than Chavez. I have searched, and I can't find them (except in Cuba). Please list them for me. It's really a simply question that has nothing to do at all with US actions, policy, history with Latin America and Caribbean countries.

[Judi Lynn]

21. You should humble yourself and do the research necessary to keep up with others.

Your attempt to mix it up with the informed post only shames you.

You have an enormous block of time, and an enormous area to cover if you intend to have any clue at all about US actions, policy, history with Latin America and Caribbean countries.

Instead of challenging people to explain to you what you DON'T know, an endless job, you are required to be prepared to discuss things only AFTER you know something about the material.

[Lydia Leftcoast]

17. That's for sure, Marr

Uribe of Colombia with death squads?

No problem.

A possibly stolen election in Mexico?

No problem.

Argentina's economy ruined by international financial institutions?

No problem.

Tear gas used against demonstrators in Venezuela (something that NEVER happens in the U.S. :sarcasm: )

Chavez is a dictator! He's a Nazi! He's a Marxist!

[naaman fletcher]

19. Are there still death squads in Colombia?

Just asking.

Also, where is this "extensive" list of dictators that Marr has mentioned? Well, besides Cuba.

[Judi Lynn]

24. Of COURSE there are still death squads in Colombia. You would know if you could stay conscious

long enough to even read DU, and check the links and research for yourself, just as any functioning person must.

Your use of the word "still" is unexpected, and apparently meant to insinuate they had disappeared, for some reason.

Why don't you make the effort to simply look for the answers yourself, if you don't know? You can't expect people to do your job for you.

[naaman fletcher]

28. I have..

and is seems as though they have disbanded in the last few years, and have turned in their arms for the most part. Of course I am open to being educated otherwise.

[Judi Lynn]

32. You don't seem to get it. It's YOUR responsibility to do your part.

There's been a constant flow of information about the continuing activity of Colombian paramilitaries, unbroken for all this time, here at D.U.

People have made a point of posting the stories every time they saw them, THROUGHOUT the time Colombia has prentended the paras were disbanded, and disarmed. We all knew better than that. If you had bothered to read DU, you would have seen the result of all our efforts LONG ago.

Here's one quick bit from a quick google search, from November, 2009:

Document - Colombia: Stop paramilitary death threats

UA: 293/09 Index: AMR 23/025/2009 Colombia Date: 3 November 2009
URGENT ACTION

STOP PARAMILITARY DEATH THREATS

A paramilitary group has threatened to kill six individuals and members of five organizations in western Colombia. All are in grave danger.

The threat came on 22 October in a fax signed by the paramilitary group Black Eagles New Generation (Aguilas Negras Nueva Generación) sent to the Valle del Cauca office of the Trade Union Congress (Central Unitaria de Trabajadores, CUT). The fax said that the people and organizations it named were now military targets.

The fax accused those named of supporting the guerrillas: "You are the defenders of the guerrillas … we have determined that it is necessary to expand the fight against those who hide in social organisations such as CUT Valle, NOMADESC, human rights defenders, NGOs." (Ustedes son defensores de la guerrilla … Hemos definido que se hace necesario de nuevo emprender la lucha contra aquellos que se camuflan en las organizaciones sociales como CUT, Valle, NOMADESC, Defensores DDHH, ONG.) In the past, human rights, social, trade union and Indigenous activists and leaders who have been labelled subversives by the security forces or paramilitary groups have often been the target of subsequent serious human rights violations, including killings.

The fax also accused them of stopping the economic development of the Cauca region: "These bureaucrats don’t let CAUCA progress, as they don't allow entry for the multinationals which do bring benefits to the communities." (Esos burocratas no dejan progresar el CAUCA, donde no permiten el ingreso de las multinacionales que si traen beneficio a las comunidades.)

Some of the organizations and individuals have been harassed since shortly before the fax was sent. One of them, José Goyes, received a telephone death threat the same day. In recent years José Goyes has been subject to death threats and has survived an attempt on his life. Men were seen keeping watch on the Social Research and Action Association (Asociación de Investigación y la Acción Social, NOMADESC) office in Cali from 20 to 23 October, and again on 28 October.

PLEASE WRITE IMMEDIATELY in Spanish or your own language:

•Calling on the authorities to order a full and impartial investigation into the death threat sent to CUT Valle del Cauca on 22 October, publish the results and bring those responsible to justice;

•Demanding that they provide protection for those threatened, as agreed with those in danger;

•Urging them to take immediate action to dismantle paramilitary groups, in line with stated government commitments and recommendations made by the UN and other intergovernmental organizations.

http://www.amnesty.org/en/library/asset/AMR23/025/2009/en/0904d5dd-f94e-4762-86be-7ce89aef1c73/amr230252009en.html

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Colombia: Trade Unionists Threatened in Valle del Cauca
Posted: 17 November 2009

http://www.amnesty.ca.nyud.net:8090/take_action/actions/images/colombia_trade_impacts.jpg

On 22 October, a fax signed by the paramilitary group Black Eagles New Generation arrived at the Valle del Cauca office of the Trade Union Congress (known by its acronym CUT). It warned that members of the CUT in Valle del Cauca have become military targets.

The fax named Eduar Villegas and Diego Escobar, both CUT members in Valle del Cauca, and accused them of supporting guerrillas: "You are the defenders of the guerrillas ... we have determined that it is necessary to expand the fight against those who hide in social organisations such as CUT Valle, NOMADESC, human rights defenders, NGOs."

The fax also accused them of stopping economic development in the region of Cauca: "These bureaucrats don't let CAUCA progress, as they don't allow entry for the multinationals, which bring benefits to the communities."

http://www.amnesty.ca/take_action/actions/colombia_trade_unions_under_attack.php

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Last Updated: Tuesday, 3 July 2007, 05:05 GMT 06:05 UK
Colombia unions 'still in danger'

Colombia remains one of the most dangerous places in the world for trade unionists, Amnesty International says.
A new Amnesty report says paramilitaries are still operating and colluding with the security forces to eliminate and intimidate union members.

The Colombian authorities have taken steps to improve union members' safety, Amnesty says, and the number killed has fallen in recent years.

Nevertheless, in 2006, 77 trade unionists were killed or "disappeared".

Since 1991, some 2,245 members of trade unions have been killed, 3,400 threatened and more than 130 have "disappeared", according to figures from Colombia's National Trade Union School.

Trade unionists involved in labour disputes and campaigns against privatisation are particularly targeted, Amnesty's report says.

Also at risk are those who work in some of Colombia's key sectors, such as oil, mining, gas and energy.

"Trade unionists across Colombia are being sent a clear message: don't complain about your labour conditions or campaign to protect your rights because you will be silenced at any cost," said Susan Lee, Amnesty's Americas programme director.

Demobilisation

Thousands of paramilitary fighters have demobilised in a controversial government process over the past three years.

But Amnesty International says there is strong evidence that paramilitary groups still operate and are responsible for human rights violations including threats, killings and enforced disappearances, sometimes in collusion with the security forces.

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/americas/6261928.stm

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Amnesty International
September 1, 2005

Amnesty International Investigation Finds Colombian Paramilitaries Hiding Activities While Continuing to Operate as a Military Force
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Says "Justice and Peace Law" Will Do Little to End Human Rights Abuses

(New York)--A new Amnesty International report documents continuing paramilitary violence in Colombia and proves that the government's strategy for demobilizing the paramilitaries actually threatens to consolidate the groups -- and ensure that those responsible for some of the worst human rights atrocities continue to kill, "disappear," and torture with almost complete impunity.

The report, Colombia, the Paramilitaries in Medellín: Demobilization or Legalization?, demonstrates that the heralded "demobilization" has been a sham and is failing to secure human rights for the Colombian people.

"Rather than bringing the paramilitaries to justice, the Colombian government is allowing them to continue under a new veil," said Curt Goering, Senior Deputy Executive Director of Amnesty International USA. "What the government calls a 'demobilization' is more a political show than an actual change."

Amnesty International calls on the United States and the international community to withhold political and economic support for the demobilization process until the Colombian government implements a legal framework for the demobilization of illegal armed groups that fully conforms to international standards of truth, justice and reparation.

http://www.amnestyusa.org/document.php?lang=e&id=USA20050901002

ETC.

[naaman fletcher]

33. Thank you, you have answered my question.

I didn't realize it was still that bad.

[RedCloud]

30. I'm calling bs on this: "celebrated the 18th anniversary of his failed coup "

Who celebrates a failure?

And if you ever lived in Venezuela, you would know that other parties often hide behind the ruse of being innocent. Now are these students actually students? Are they a random assortment? Do they belong to an opposing faction and yet try to call themselves "students".

Do you remember Delay's "people" down in Fla to break up the recount? Or how Rachel recently showed the teabaggers were, in fact, Republicans?

[Judi Lynn]

34. Truly sad anyone is buying this cheap sideshow, isn't it?

They need look no further than a fine young "scholar," Yon Goicoechea, a "student" leader who has been groomed and pampered by right-wing politicians in the U.S., a mere school boy who has lead demonstration after demonstration against the elected President of Venezuela, and who was the lucky recipient of $500,000.00, a token of affection from the CATO Institute right here in the good old U.S. of A.

A fond photo tribute to this fine young lad:

http://msnbcmedia4.msn.com.nyud.net:8090/j/msnbc/Components/Photo_StoryLevel/080511/080511-student-hmed-9a.hmedium.jpg

Yon, chillin' in Venezuela, perhaps after a hard day plannning the next march of the right-wing brats.

http://cache.daylife.com.nyud.net:8090/imageserve/0aMQau10MAdZ9/610x.jpg

http://graphics8.nytimes.com.nyud.net:8090/images/2007/11/10/world/10venez.600.jpg

http://www.radiomundial.com.ve.nyud.net:8090/yvke/files/t_yongo_196_346.jpg http://farm3.static.flickr.com.nyud.net:8090/2333/2659189778_0e1a8b8d51.jpg http://www.wikiberal.org.nyud.net:8090/w/images/thumb/8/82/Yon_Goicoechea.jpg/150px-Yon_Goicoechea.jpg

http://cache.daylife.com.nyud.net:8090/imageserve/00X1d4n9OI17e/610x.jpg

AP Photo: A small group of people protest in front of the Waldorf-Astoria in New York, Thursday, May 15, 2008. They were protesting the awarding of the Milton Friedman Prize for Advancing Liberty to Yon Goicoechea, who has led a student movement against Hugo Chavez' regime in Venezuela.

[MyNameGoesHere]

31. Mentiras pitiyanquis

These "youth" opposition groups are nothing more than puppeteer's of the former rich and powerful. They hated losing their free ride.

[EFerrari]

35. I call them the Gucci protesters.

lol

[laughingliberal]

36. Yep. Shame they never have any pictures of these incidents

Then we could all get a chuckle out of the 'protesters' in their Jimmy Choo and Armani attire. Those who oppose Chavez are the ones who benefited from the gross disparity of wealth present when he took over. Ludicrous to call Chavez a 'fascist' when he has put an end to the exploitation of the people by the multinational corporations. You know, the same people who are buying up our government and exploiting the resources and workers of our country.

[EFerrari]

37. Yep. While the right wing corporate media keeps yelping about Chavez

they are hollowing out our country. Look over there!

[laughingliberal]

40. Exactly. And not a peep about the assassinations of the unionists in Columbia

where we are in the process of constructing military bases.

[Judi Lynn]

43. These pampered brats wouldn't be given as much slack here, or most places.

They've been following the bright idea of Cuban "exile" Roberto Alonso, Miami-connected, and part-time resident, who invented the "guarimbas" (violent protests) and they've made life difficult for the Venezuelan cops trying to keep the peace who appear to have been instructed to treat these brats with kid gloves, avoid real conflict at all costs.

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[conturnedpro09]

38. I'm with the students as much as I am with those in Iran and those against tyranny in the US. n/t

[EFerrari]

44. Except the vast majority of the student movement is pro-Chavez

but the right wing media lumps them all together as anti.

[Hell Hath No Fury]

47. You really have a hard-on about Chavez, don't you?

:eyes:

[naaman fletcher]

48. no, it's you guys who get hard dreaming of revolution

as you sit in your coffee shops while the rest of us work.

[Forkboy]

49. At least you admit this is your work.

[Hell Hath No Fury]

50. You so funny!

:rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: