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WilliamPitt Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-18-10 01:03 PM
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This would appear to be the pilot's suicide note/manifesto
http://embeddedart.com/

Someone else posted this in a different thread. It is dated today and signed "Joe Stack."

Is this legit?
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redqueen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-18-10 01:05 PM
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1. Really?
Edited on Thu Feb-18-10 01:06 PM by redqueen
A new thread, to discuss a thread with one post in it?

WTF?
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greyl Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-18-10 01:07 PM
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2. I'm just hearing about the whole situation, but
Edited on Thu Feb-18-10 01:09 PM by greyl
Joe Stack's address according to the domain registry is:
925 E Hwy 80
287
San Marcos, TX 78666

There's a thumbnail of the old version of the site here:
http://whois.domaintools.com/embeddedart.com
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Schema Thing Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-18-10 01:09 PM
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3. whoa, is the name of that site a sarcastic take on his own manner of demise?
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Oregone Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-18-10 01:09 PM
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4. This dude should of smoked a joint and got over it
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The_Commonist Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-18-10 01:12 PM
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5. That's weird.
Sort of Unabomberish.
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Oregone Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-18-10 01:14 PM
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6. Sorta all-over-the-mapish
I'm still not sure what his ideology is, but I guarantee you he doesn't like paying taxes
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Bozita Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-18-10 01:21 PM
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16. I got the same feeling.
Very unabomberish!
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Motown_Johnny Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-18-10 01:14 PM
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7. any way to check if the guy had been audited ?
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SemiCharmedQuark Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-18-10 01:15 PM
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8. Google Cache shows that it was originally a software website owned by Joseph Stack
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arcadian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-18-10 01:15 PM
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9. Is he an anti-tax nut freak?
aka Teabagger
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nc4bo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-18-10 01:17 PM
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12. "Well Mr. Big Brother IRS man... take my pound of flesh and sleep well."
is the title of the document. You'll see it when you hit "save as" to save a copy.

Wow.
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dgibby Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-18-10 01:16 PM
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10. I don't know, but I forwarded it to CNN for them to scope it out. n/t
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tabatha Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-18-10 01:16 PM
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11. Looks like it
http://embeddedart.com/home.htm

Registrant:
Embedded Art
925 E Hwy 80
287
San Marcos, TX 78666
US

Domain name: EMBEDDEDART.COM


Administrative Contact:
Stack, Joe dns.5.sgmail@dfgh.net
925 E Hwy 80
287
San Marcos, TX 78666
US
1.3215649879
Technical Contact:
Stack, Joe dns.5.sgmail@dfgh.net
925 E Hwy 80
287
San Marcos, TX 78666
US
1.3215649879


Registration Service Provider:
Everyones Internet, domains@ev1servers.net
http://www.ev1servers.net



Registrar of Record: TUCOWS, INC.
Record last updated on 16-Sep-2006.
Record expires on 05-Jun-2010.
Record created on 05-Jun-2003.

Registrar Domain Name Help Center:
http://domainhelp.tucows.com

Domain servers in listed order:
NS1.T35.NET
NS2.T35.NET


Domain status: ok
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Randall Flagg Donating Member (411 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-18-10 01:17 PM
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13. If it is, wow.
Sad.
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AngryAmish Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-18-10 01:19 PM
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14. I wonder if he is a tax resister / sovereign citizen type
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bigtree Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-18-10 01:19 PM
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15. sounds like a disturbed individual at the end of his rope
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Omerrrta Donating Member (92 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-18-10 01:22 PM
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17. very strange
I find it strange that he keeps referring to the government but never says obama but went out of his way to say bush, would not be surprised if hes deliberately trying to not get labeled a teabagger.
I'm betting 20 bucks hes a teabagger.
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HiFructosePronSyrup Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-18-10 01:23 PM
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18. Anti-catholic.
Weird stuff on "blacks and latinos."

Was a hypocrite on taxes. He doesn't want to pay them, but bitches about Clinton's closing of AF bases.

Wants to start a "revolution" in full accordance with Teabagger rhetoric.

Guy's a RWer.
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Zebedeo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-18-10 01:30 PM
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19. Don't be so quick about the RWer conclusion
Edited on Thu Feb-18-10 01:33 PM by Zebedeo
Here are some more quotes from him:

“The recent presidential puppet GW Bush and his cronies in their eight years”

“The communist creed: From each according to his ability, to each according to his need.
The capitalist creed: From each according to his gullibility, to each according to his greed.”

On edit:

Also, I didn't see anything in there about "blacks and latinos," as you suggest. There was the following:

"I know I’m hardly the first one to decide I have had all I can stand. It has always been a myth that people have stopped dying for their freedom in this country, and it isn’t limited to the blacks, and poor immigrants. I know there have been countless before me and there are sure to be as many after."

It seems that he is not blaming blacks or poor immigrants. Instead, he is saying that they have been dying for their freedom in this country.
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HiFructosePronSyrup Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-18-10 01:44 PM
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26. Yeah, I saw all that.

"“The recent presidential puppet GW Bush and his cronies in their eight years”"

Implying Bush is the puppet of some secret government. Real woo woo tinfoil stuff. I bet the guy didn't have a problem with Bush the eight years he was in office. You see similar disillusionment in teabagger rhetoric.


"“The communist creed: From each according to his ability, to each according to his need.
The capitalist creed: From each according to his gullibility, to each according to his greed.”"

Contrary to the claim that this is pro-communist, it's really just anti-capitalist. It's also hypocritical. They guy was reasonably well off- he could afford a house, training as an amateur pilot, and made enough an income to bitch about taxes.

"It has always been a myth that people have stopped dying for their freedom in this country, and it isn’t limited to the blacks, and poor immigrants."

He's going for the reverse-racism, poor oppressed white male angle. Again, common tea-bag rhetoric.
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8 track mind Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-18-10 01:59 PM
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30. It has an Alex Jones ring to it
I think Alex is still based in Austin. The thing that gets me is that he files a zero tax return with $12,700 unreported income (if i read it right)and gets pissed when the IRS comes after him. I did a quickie search on Bill Ross, his CPA, and he doesn't look like he was a small time CPA. I find it hard to believe that there is not a lot of work for an engineer in Austin, as there are so many semiconductor companies there

but i could be wrong......
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mzmolly Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-18-10 02:47 PM
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31. Anti-Gov. Anti-Catholic, Anti-Dem
I agree HPS. I bet they'll find a Glenn Beck video collection among his belongings.
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cbdo2007 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-18-10 01:32 PM
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20. References to medical and drug companies? And the GM executives?
I don't think he's any more right wing than he is left wing. Just seems like he's mad at everybody.
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mzmolly Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-18-10 03:02 PM
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38. Not sure how this makes him less right wing? GM
got a bail out that pissed of the RW, partly because the money trickled down to union workers.
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Dover Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-18-10 01:35 PM
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21. The suicide note has been confirmed. Six full pages of railing against the world.
Stack was about 53 years old. His life was falling apart. No job, divorce,
and problems with the IRS. Blamed the government, etc.
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redqueen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-18-10 01:36 PM
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23. Divorced?
Wasn't he already in a new marriage?
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Dover Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-18-10 01:39 PM
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25. Just reporting what the news people are saying. Said he had a domestic dispute this morning with
Edited on Thu Feb-18-10 01:46 PM by Dover
his wife and was in the midst of divorce.
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redqueen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-18-10 01:46 PM
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27. From the manifesto:
Edited on Thu Feb-18-10 01:46 PM by redqueen
"So now we come to the present. After my experience with the CPA world, following the business crash I swore that I’d never enter another accountant’s office again. But here I am with a new marriage and ..."
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Dover Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-18-10 01:49 PM
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28. Well, I'm sure we'll learn more from his wife that will shed some light. But apparently he had a
Edited on Thu Feb-18-10 01:50 PM by Dover
big fight with her this morning and they may have discussed divorce.

Not sure when he wrote the note, but it sounds like it was written over several days, so might have preceded this morning's incident.

We'll see.
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redqueen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-18-10 01:51 PM
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29. I see...
perhaps that's why he tried to burn her and the child alive.
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old mark Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-18-10 01:37 PM
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24. Well, this certainly helped.
What an asshole.



mark
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mzmolly Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-18-10 02:57 PM
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36. Haven't you heard? Taxes have been cancelled!
:sarcasm:
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8 track mind Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-18-10 01:35 PM
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22. woah
sounds like this dude made a lot of really dumb decisions. Looks like he just showed up in Austin expecting a job. Sound like he was a follow of the "taxes are unconstitutional" clan.
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Maru Kitteh Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-18-10 02:52 PM
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32. That's what I got too.
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mzmolly Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-18-10 02:56 PM
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34. Such a bizarre thing to be angry about. Taxes?
It's money. Not having a job, yes. But whining about paying taxes like everyone else? :eyes:
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marmar Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-18-10 02:53 PM
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33. It's been taken offline now.
nt
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WilliamPitt Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-18-10 02:56 PM
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35. There are a few full versions on various threads here.
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mzmolly Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-18-10 03:01 PM
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37. Smoking Gun has a copy up here as well:
Edited on Thu Feb-18-10 03:07 PM by mzmolly
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