Progress Is Not Letting The Republicants Embarrass President Obama

[DemocratSinceBirth]

That is reason enough to support the present health care reform bill for all it flaws.

When Rush, Beck, Hannity, and the Teabaggers are on one side I want to be on the other side.

[JuniperLea]

1. "Rush, Beck, Hannity, and the Teabaggers"

That's why I'm so confused around here lately... too many here apparently agree with that bunch... astounding.

[DemocratSinceBirth]

4. They Don't Hate The Bill As Much As They Hate Our President

The bill is a trojan horse. They are trying to use it to undermine his presidency.

[JuniperLea]

5. They want it dead...

So they can use it as a talking point in November. Plus, their whole stance in general is "whatever Obama is for, we're against" and there's no changing that.

[madville]

15. So if you support the bill you also agree and support the insurance companies

Is that how that works, like your statement?

Progressives and RWer's can both be opposed to the Health Insurance Reform for different reasons and still be on opposite sides. Progressives want a stronger bill, RWer's want no bill (even though I believe they support the bill in theory for the corporations and Wall Street, it is all old Republican ideas, but have to oppose it for show).

[DemocratSinceBirth]

18. Except A Loss On This Bill Renders President Obama Impotent

Which is the real reason for much of the opposition from the right. They want to ruin his presidency.

[madville]

26. They have painted themselves into a corner

There is no way to "win" this, it's a loser whichever way it falls. The midterms are going to render the rest of Obama's first term impotent anyway so that isn't an excuse to make a huge mistake like this bill.

[JuniperLea]

29. The insurance companies hate this bill...

Why do you think they and their cronies are fighting to get the whole thing dropped?

[madville]

30. I haven't seen any opposition from the Ins. corporations

They seem rather silent on the whole matter. Haven't seen any commercials, CEO or VP's on the news or talk shows, etc. I think their cronies are voting to pass this bill.

[MineralMan]

20. Ain't it interesting?

Truly...

[Bobbie Jo]

21. Quite. nt

[JuniperLea]

28. Indeed... n/t

[Oceansaway]

2. K&R...n/t

[NJmaverick]

3. "When Rush, Beck, Hannity, and the Teabaggers are on one side I want to be on the other side."

I with you on the other side!

[ClassWarrior]

8. Yeah. Right.

:eyes:

NGU.

[Cronus Protagonist]

6. That is the key right there

I don't want to support fascism, or mandates or fines and here we are with most Democratics being forced to support all three just so the opposition can't make hay with it.

[DemocratSinceBirth]

7. If The Republicants Roll Him On This He Won't Be Able To Pass Gas

~

[Cronus Protagonist]

10. I agree, and I blame the Democratic "leadership" for being such asses in the first place

Compromise indeed. Compromised is where we are.

[Edweird]

9. Obama filled the bill with 'republican ideas' for no reason - other than that he wanted to.

Either way, the republicans win.

[provis99]

11. and Gov. Schwarzenegger is opposed to climate change, so I'm for it.

see how stupid you sound? If Obama was in favor of slavery, and the Republicans were opposed to it, would you be in favor of slavery just to spite them?

[DemocratSinceBirth]

13. "If Obama was in favor of slavery," -I am speechless.

The Republicants are trying to kill the bill because they know a deafeat of this bill after he has invested in so much time and prestige will cripple his presidency.

If you think a crippled Obama presidency is a good thing there is nothing I can do to disabuse you of that notion.

[Hell Hath No Fury]

12. Jesus Christ --

that statement could have come out of the mouth of a freeper about Bush circa 2006.

You have got to be be kidding me.

[DemocratSinceBirth]

14. Because They Didn't Want To Be Rolled By The Democrats

When Clinton's impeachment was defeated in the Senate the first words out of my mouth were "we rolled Ken Starr and the Republicans".

[gleaner]

16. Being an advocate for this bill because you ...

don't like the conservative opposition is really not a compelling reason to pass it. I don't like it either and I am a Progressive Democrat. This is a bad bill. I would much rather see it go down and start over with a better bill. This bill benefits the insurance industry and does not provide health care to the people who most need it.


If the conservatives refused to drive cars would you refuse to drive a car yourself simply because they were doing it? There are times when you have to step outside the box and act based on only your own thoughts and feelings of what is right or wrong. If you love this bill yourself and can't live without it, that's one thing. If you are saying "this must be good because of some of the people who oppose it," that is another thing and you have allowed your feelings to rule your intellect.

[DemocratSinceBirth]

19. It's About Saving Barack Obama's Presidency

After he has invested so much prestige and time in health care reform a defeat would have catastrophic consequences and all of them bad for (us).

[gleaner]

24. I disagree ...

It would be bad for him, not us. What Obama did and continues to do would be bad for us. I really don't care about his presidency anymore. Once he started cutting deals with special interests, threatening other Democrats if they didn't support them and basically letting people die for want of help he could easily give them, I can't call what he is doing a "presidency." Whatever you call it, it is not worth saving anyway. It never was. What people saw in him was an illusion he carefully cultivated and sold the way he sold his constituency. He has disgraced his office and he has disgraced himself. He should answer for his actions like anyone else who makes deals with special interests. I think he is a disgrace to the office. I wish I had never voted for him or supported him.

[dkf]

17. I agree it's just about saving Obama now.

The substance of the bill has become irrelevant

[tekisui]

22. He doubled down and is too invested for anything but a

bill to sign. Little else matters at this point.

[Romulox]

23. What's a little corporatism? The President's LEGACY is on the line!

:puke:

[Mari333]

25. same thing with the occupations ..we cannot speak against his legacy

everyone has to get in line.

sorta like bush followers did.

[Romulox]

27. Our Dimbulb last President was ALSO obsessed with his legacy. Which is where Iraq came from.

You are 100% correct.