that bp live shot is killing me

[backwoodsbob]

it's awful. I KNOW it's hard to work that far down but fuck it..time to try something.

Why not just crimp the damned thing?...they say it could cause blowouts but how much worse can it get?

animals are going to die by the MILLIONS and they just want to sit on it now till they get relief wells?..fuck that..crimp the god damned thing and hope for the best...it can't work any worse than what they have tried so far

[Botany]

1. for "it" to work they have to slow close the vents on the top.

n/t

[backwoodsbob]

3. they have been *slow closing* the vents?

how long will this take?

[RoyGBiv]

10. Couple days ...

'Course this is a "BP estimate" which probably means that's just a random time period thrown out there.

[backwoodsbob]

14. ok so they have vents on top the riser?

that's why it is still spewing so much?And they are slowly closing the vents?

This is what I want to know

[Orrex]

28. That's correct--though your obsessing about it won't close the vents any faster

Apparently they need to close them slowly to prevent the formation of a methane ice slurry that would impede the function of the siphoning process. That's what doomed the first "top hat" solution--ice crystals formed inside it and rendered it inoperative.

[backwoodsbob]

30. damn obsession :)

[RoyGBiv]

31. Yes, sorta ...

Here's a good summary of what's going on:

http://www.theoildrum.com/node/6560#comment-640446

[backwoodsbob]

35. thanks..read your link

what a mess..thanks for the link

[LaPera]

2. It's Obama's fault......

It's Obama's fault.

There wasn't any safety precautions in place and shut-off mechanism on the oil rig.

It's Obama's fault.

The explosion that killed 11 men, taken from their family and friends are gone forever.

It's Obama fault.

That we give billions of our tax dollars to oil corporations in subsidies, (welfare) though oil corporations make the largest profits ever recorded in history.

It's Obama fault.

No real effective way to clean up this much oil still gushing(after 20 years the Exxon Valdez spill still isn't cleaned up) if the government (our taxes) paid for the whole clean up, decades of cleaning up... just send the bill to BP who will be fighting it the next 30 years in the courts.

It's Obama's fault.

Oil corporations have deregulated the industry and had rules & laws weakened and that safety laws were ignored for years and environmental concerns have meant nothing, profit for a few is more important.

It's Obama's fault.

That he didn't immediately dive into the gulf waters, swim down clog up & cap the gushing oil.

It's Obama's fault.

That the Coast Guard was on the scene within three hours of the explosion, it's Obama fault the Coast Guard wasn't there sooner.

Again, it's all Obama's fault.

He's a democrat - we all know that corporations never,cut corners in favor of profits or safety or environmental concerns It's NEVER the corporations fault.

Collusive oil corporations will just raise the price of gas.

Obama's fault too!

[backwoodsbob]

4. who the fuck said that?

grow up!

Not a damned bit of this is president Obama's fault

[AnnetteJacobs]

5. He forgot the sarcasm thingie?

:shrug:

[bdamomma]

36. some people just don't get it this is BP's fault

and could go back to other administrations, namely Republican admin and don't forget the oil boys Bush and Cheney.

[LaPera]

17. Sorry.....to the clueless....

My post was aimed at and meant for the bullshit excuses I continue hearing from the despicable slimy republicans, certainly not intelligent & wise DUers....... However, as AnnetteJacobs obviously understood my post and quickly added, (I love it, a "thingie") and I suppose, for the incredibly ignorant that I should of added my post was meant as...

:sarcasm:

[KittyWampus]

6. stop watching if it's killing you. Seriously. If you can't handle it, go outside & do some yardwork

Take a walk, smell some flowers.

The disaster isn't going to be mitigated by your constant obsessing over it.

[backwoodsbob]

7. since this is my FIRST post on it

I wouldn't call that constant obsession

[Orrex]

8. I count THREE posts, you totally obsessed obsessor!

See, apparently you're not allowed to feel or express emotion over something that you're not personally empowered to mitigate.


Whew! That's a relief, because there was a ton of stuff worrying the hell out of me, like global warming, worldwide famine, and the shattered economy. Now that I know that these are none of my business, I can paste a smile on my face and move along, since there's obviously nothing to see here.

[backwoodsbob]

9. damn..you're right

including responses to my ONE thread about this I'm up to 4 posts now.

Someone hand me the razor blades

[KittyWampus]

19. You're the one who posted a thread how this is KILLING YOU. But by all means, ignore

the sensible suggestion to do something that will relieve your stress.

Enjoy your misery.

It will accomplish so much.

[Orrex]

It isn't your suggestion that he take time to relax that's the problem.

It was your petulant declaration that he is of no significance. When we add that to your "don't worry, be happy" silliness, you demonstrate a serious lack of empathy and social skills.

[KittyWampus]

23. #1. I made no "declaration he's of no significance. That's your made up bullshit.

#2. Telling someone to get some distance and recoup isn't "don't worry, be happy" silliness".

And since all you ever do it attempt to make witty sarcastic replies on DU, you're the last person to talk about social skills.

[Orrex]

27. It appears that I read your posts more closely than you do, for some reason.

The disaster isn't going to be mitigated by your constant obsessing over it.

The OP posts to express serious discomfort at the ongoing sight of the Gulf's destruction, engaging in colorful exaggeration to highlight that point. Anyone who can read and comprehend a three-syllable word should be able to recognize his hyperbole and understand its effectiveness.

You reply by caricaturing his concern as "obsessing," and you follow immediately by telling him that his "obsessing" won't "mitigate" the disaster.

Well no shit! Do you think that he truly believes that his worry will somehow cap the gusher? Do you have no comprehension of how human beings express anxiety or despair? Do you make a habit of dismissing people's concerns by telling that they are of no significance?

I'd hate to see your response when someone posts to lament an ailing loved one--do you tell the person to take a pleasant walk because his "obsessing" won't "mitigate" the illness?


Accusing the OP of "obsessing" was your made up bullshit.

And since all you ever do it attempt to make witty sarcastic replies on DU...

That's manifestly untrue. In addition to witty, sarcastic replies, I also post extensively about the dangers of bullshit alternative medicine. Lately I've been posting to express my disgust about my hideous monster of a cat, as well.

[backwoodsbob]

34. that is true

your cat cant be worse than my feral I adopted though :)

[donco6]

41. Well, at least you recognize they're "witty."

It's a start.

And dayum, who pissed in your Wheaties, KittyW? Cut the poor guy some slack for being upset. He didn't badmouth Obama or nothin'.

[backwoodsbob]

22. you really enjoy yourself dont you

how about you put me on ignore before I say what I think about you

[kestrel91316]

48. Why are you ALWAYS so snotty to people?

[KittyWampus]

12. Oh, so it isn't really KILLING YOU? nt

[Orrex]

13. Would you be happier if it were?

:wtf:

[KittyWampus]

18. WTF is your point? If something bothers you SO BAD IT'S KILLING YOU-

then it isn't healthy to continue, is it?

Worried to death about something. WELL THEN SIT AND STEW ON IT ALL DAY!

Yeah, that will solve the problems. It' really so very healthy too. Stress is good for you.

The normal reaction to someone stressing out over a problem is " go get some fresh air".

[Orrex]

20. So you never engage in narrative exaggeration to make a point?

You speak only the precise, literal truth? What a fascinatingly bland world you must inhabit.


Let me guess... You're a fan of that "don't sweat the small stuff/it's all small stuff" baloney, right?

:rofl:

[KittyWampus]

21. I suggest the OP get some fresh air to deal with the stress- you have nothing to add

except your usual attempts at wit.

Whatever.

[Orrex]

24. And you once again attempt to trivialize another human being via a failed attempt at wisdom.

I'd say that my wit is witty at least 60% of the time.

Can't say the same for your attempts at wisdom.

[Whisp]

25. yes Dr. Phil.

:rofl:

[backwoodsbob]

26. you have never said in your life..that kills me?..or similar?

wow..you do realize I'm not really dying right?...of course your tripe might bore me to death but that is another matter.

The point was before you decided to hijack the thread that they need to quit fucking around and just go for it...crimp the damned thing.

Of course the paid posters would want to hijack that thread with misdirection :) not saying you are a paid poster :)

[backwoodsbob]

29. stewing all day?

I rebuilt a crossover rainwash this morning on my logging road...then I mowed..then I weedeated...then I had a few beers on the back porch admiring what I had done and how nice my property is...and I thought about the spill..and mulled it...and made my FIRST ever post about it.

How about you quit obsessing with shutting down any criticizing of bp?

[Orrex]

33. Let me get this straight...

You deliberately murdered countless blades of grass and then consumed alcohol to admire your fiendish handiwork? And all of this was before you started obsessing over BP?


Good grief, man! How do you sleep?!?

[backwoodsbob]

38. I admit it

I sat on the porch and beamed proudly over the poor grass blades I have ruthlessly swiped I tossed a few back..but now I see the error of my ways.

As I sit here on the porch watching the wife bbq some stuffed pork chops I have thought about my sins...to my new drink of makers mark and Coke....on ice....crushed....it's good...while the wife bakes up a batch of daqueries....where am I...oh yeah..the grass died..hell yeah..and some weeds too but they don't count because they aren't American weeds

[backwoodsbob]

16. if you're in the gulf we may be lucky in your cASE

[backwoodsbob]

49. do you really want to hear what I think about you?

can I get banned for private tells?

[William Z. Foster]

11. yes it will

Corporate abuse and environmental disasters and catastrophes will go on to the extent that people are lulled back into complacency. It will end when enough people are fired up about it. Criticizing people for the way they are fired up about it, or the way they express that, is simply an attempt to encourage complacency and disengagement.

Only public pressure can change things. Snuffing out each and every little ember that could spark mass public outrage works against change, it is defending the existing conditions.

[KittyWampus]

15. Oh brother, you again. Public pressure is one thing. Making yourself miserable is another.

[William Z. Foster]

46. yeah

Me again - heh. Hey I agreed with you on the WalMart thread.

I don't know that it is a bad thing, though, that people witness this and are miserable as a result. What sort of world would it be if no one paid attention and it didn't bother anyone? See what I mean?

But your point is good, too.

[spanone]

32. looks worse than ever

[Hempathy]

37. "time to try something"...????

Jesus h. christ- what do you think that they've been doing..?

Does ANYONE here try to keep up BEFORE posting nonsense?

Why not just crimp the damned thing?- WOW! what a REMARKABLE idea- I'll bet that it's NEVER even occurred to them to even try something as ingenious as that...:eyes:

[backwoodsbob]

40. then DO IT

yeah the ideas they have tried so far have worked so great...how about..we sit back and wait on them to tell us what to think?

Jebbus..can no one vent here anymore?

[Hempathy]

43. do...what exactly...?

Please tell me that you aren't referring to "crimping" the well casing.

:quadruple face palm:

[backwoodsbob]

47. no i'm not talking about crimping the well casing

I'm saying do whatever it takes...blow the damned thing..whatever.

I'm just venting at all the wildlife I'm seeing killed..it tears me up.


I'm sitting on my porch posting from my laptop... enjoying a fine drink and watching whippoorwills building a nest in a tree on our logging road...and the jays feeding off our jay feeders..and the other birds feeding off the other feeders...the Shepperd's sitting in the yard watching the birds and getting fat from being well fed and lazy..waiting on the rabbits to do there nightly appearance..and I try to imagine what those people in the gulf area must feel like.

I get my nightly animal watch off my front porch...will they EVER get to watch animals again?

Unlike a FEW posters here I feel for the people of the gulf even though I don't live there

[Hempathy]

62. You used the word crimp- so what were you talking about crimping?

"blow the damned thing"...?

And what exactly do you think that would accomplish...?

[gateley]

44. Seriously, check out The Oil Drum and other resources. There

are explanations WHY they do or do not do something, that those of us don't see from our vantage point. Suffice it to say they're working 24/7 and they have strong incentive ($$$) to get this addressed as soon as possible. I found when I understood it better, and followed along, my blood pressure returned to normal. :7

[William Z. Foster]

53. why defend BP?

Why are people defending BP?

So strange.

Perhaps stopping the flow is but one of many concerns for the BP executive team, and not their main one.

Maybe this has nothing to do with anyone being "ingenious" but rather with those in charge of this fiasco having any interest whatsoever in protecting the public welfare.

[obxhead]

39. They're too busy cutting parts off to increase the flow rate.

a couple of weeks ago they had a tube stuck into it to collect 1000 barrels a day. Now they have a cap on it to collect a 1000 barrels a day, but they increased the flow 20% first. Time to let a team of independent scientist fix this, obviously BP can not.

[backwoodsbob]

42. yep

increase the flow rate 20% then gather the exact same amount as before.

And people who defend this question me :)

[gateley]

45. Independent scientists are there working in conjunction. If it were

that easy BP would have handed it over long ago -- the longer it gushes, the more $$$ they have to pay, and that's the only incentive that works on them. They're highly motivated to see this come to an end, too.

[obxhead]

50. I know they are, but I also

know I'm more motivated than they are.

actually what we need to happen far more than stopping this spill is to have meaningful regulation and inspection process come from it. Something with teeth.

[gateley]

55. Agree. We're motivated for different reasons. We're concerned and angry about

the people, the environment, the animals, the long term disaster this is causing. They're motivated by the money and for a corporation like BP, that's big motivation.

[backwoodsbob]

51. I know it's not simple..just pissed

if you could see whaT I see while I'm posting...you would understand.

In any 5 minute period I probably see 500 plus living things..jays...sparrows...terns...hawks...groundhogs...bobcats...I have had all in my front yard in the last year..one of my favorite memories is my feral standing up to a bobcat in our yard..he took it to a standstill and strutted to the porch like the queen of sheeba.

THESE are the things that will be gone on the gulf coast..just breaks my heart

[gateley]

56. Understood. I can't bear to even watch the shots of the birds and fish. I saw

an oil covered bird gasping for breath on Anderson Cooper the other day, and I literally started crying when I was lying in bed that night thinking about it. The next day I was so sad...

I was serious about watching, learning, following it, it really helps my blood pressure and reassures me they ARE working on it. Their motivation and ours differ greatly, but we and they want this to end as soon as possible.

I absolutely hate that company. I don't really believe in evil, but I can think of no better way to describe BP's actions.

:hug:

[William Z. Foster]

52. no evidence for that

Their liability is limited. There is no incentive for them to stop the gusher - other than to get at that oil. The people making the decisions are not personally at risk. The CEO said his only motivation was so that he could "get back to my life."

There is absolutely no reason to assume that BP is on our side, will do the right thing, or that even if they were that it would make any difference. They have to answer only to Wall Street. Whatever fines and penalties people are talking about are mosquito bites.

I cannot believe that people are advocating that we trust BP to handle this.

[gateley]

57. They're not on "our side" - they don't care about what we do. They care about

their stock prices plummeting, the reputation of BP being irreparably harmed, that their shady dealings for all these years are under the microscope and being broadcast to the world.

I don't "trust" BP to handle this, but they want the same outcome we do (for our differing reasons). There is oversight and others who are qualified who are involved in this effort.

They have behaved despicably and continue to do so, trying to try to PR their way out of this while attempting to hide the real damage they've caused. But again, because of Wall Street and the $$$, they do have incentive to end this as quickly as possible.

And as it stands now, the penalties and fines are mosquito bites, I'm not so sure that will continue to be the case with lawsuits and possible criminal charges against them. I've heard some "experts" on some shows predict this may be the beginning of the end for BP and I so hope they're right.

If we "pulled them off the job" - I'm not sure if that would legally absolve them of their responsibility.

[William Z. Foster]

60. good post

Do they want the same result as we do, though?

The use of dispersants suggests otherwise, to name but one example.

The big players are moving their money to protect themselves from this. We have no way of knowing what they know or what they are doing. BP is just a shell - that is all corporations are. Just little imaginary rooms for capitalists to play in. Hurting BP does not hurt the people who are responsible.

Wall Street makes money by betting on companies and countries to lose. They do not have to win to win. Maybe all of the big money is on "BP will lose." I am sure the BP execs have their escape strategies, their contingency plans. "Yeah, futz around making a good show of fixing the leak, and then we will reward you and hire you over here." Happens all the time.

Big players on Wall Street just made a ton of money on betting that their investments in Greece would go South. How committed were those people, with a tremendous amount of control over the Greek economy and the lives of the Greek working people, to fixing or improving anything in Greece?

I think people are in denial about just how evil this all is, how dangerous Wall Street is.

[HughMoran]

59. 6077 barrels recovered yesterday

Oh, and at least educate yourself before you rant -> http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=389x8495064

[obxhead]

61. I bow to your extreme superiority

I had no idea I was such an uninformed fool. I shall in the future contact you before I post on this site ever again to assure myself and everyone else that my facts are correct.

(1000 barrels a day was being reported on several news networks at the time of my post, you oh so great and powerful blogger)

[Owl]

54. Damn, it looks worse than ever!

[HughMoran]

58. They'll be doing more soon

watch the video here -> http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=389x8495064