SHH for you complaining 'bout MSNBC

[nadinbrzezinski]

So I turned to my LOCAL news channel. The neutral one that is. So they have a local congressman talking about the speech... and he is talking about Green Technology, like fuels from algae and all that. He also mentions that the speech had no plan... only problem is... this is Brian Bilbray, a well known REPUBLICAN... who is likely doing this as part of his race to keep his seat.

So go ahead and complain about MSNBC... with all it's defects, and lord knows they have a few... they are actually more or less balanced. My local station just reminded me why local noooze is actually horrible. And this is the "neutral channel here" The rest range from right to... well extreme right.

Of course we can also discuss why we have problems with the MSM but we will be at this for evah and it makes no difference, it seems.

[Ozymanithrax]

1. MSNBC dared to criticize President Obama...

So what is wrong with that. Criticizing the President, or any politician, is not a sign of...gasp...a "hater"

Note: I detest the word "hater" but I see it everywhere. This idea that we can not have different opinions or, gasp, that means we hate the person with whom we disagree is the vilest form of isolation politics.

If the fourth estate is doing its job it should be analyzing what the President says, and, gasp, disagreeing with some of it. That is a good thing.

Well, if you think Olberman and Rachel have entered the bands of the "haters" then get ready to boycott John Stewart. If what I head is true, he is going to bust Obama's chops a good one tonight.

I intend to watch that and, if I disagree with the Daily show analysis, I am going to laugh and watch them tomorrow.

[nadinbrzezinski]

2. I know we will watch Steward tonight

we love stewart

And since you are local too.. that was KUSI Channel 9

[Ozymanithrax]

3. KUSI is as moderate as new gets here in San Diego...

which means they are just moderatly right wing.

[fadedrose]

14. Stewart critical of Obama last night . . . eom

[Ozymanithrax]

16. Well, I guess peple will not boycott the Daily show...but it was funny.

http://www.thedailyshow.com/watch/tue-june-15-2010/respect-my-authoritah

[democrat2thecore]

5. Don't you know? Criticize Obama and you HATE and (gasp) are a racist!

This guy, who I supported with money and hard work, is a different man than the won on the campaign trail. Night and day.

Frankly, I don't expect to see him on the trail in '12. He's not only a one-termer but will have next to ZERO support from what's left of the party in congress to go down with Obama in 2012. Which means - he won't have the money, heavyweight support, etc. to even mount a campaign for re-nomination.

Worst "Democrat" I've seen in 50-years.... I had such hope.

Makes Jimmy Carter look like Franklin Roosevelt.





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[Ozymanithrax]

12. No, he is not a different man. You were sold an image.

All politicians do it, sell an image, but once elected the image collides with the reality, with what can be done not what they would like to do. It is up to voters to look past the image. I did not support him in the primary for those reasons. He is much better than McCain, or any Republican would have been.

For the most part, I think he's done a good job. Health care could have been better, and it will be in decade or so. Escalating Afghanistan was a mistake, but all Presidents make those. In the gulf he has been hamstrung by U.S. law and the reality that there was no easy solution once the accident occurred. The real test will come in the legislation that follows this debacle, if he can push through something that will protect us better than the first oil act after the Exon Valdez.

And, at this point, it is impossible to say he is the worst Democrat in 50 years, because this is just the second year of his first 4 years. There will be other challenges. Hell, we haven't seen him under the 24/7 impeachment investigations, though if Republicans take the house that will happen.

[laughingliberal]

8. +1 nt

[cwydro]

9. Obama deserves to be criticized.

Omg, did I make a huge mistake in voting for this cypher.

I probably will not vote again.

Going to move to the country and live simply and happily, ignore this crap.

Or LEAVE this country....not sure which at this point.

[Ozymanithrax]

13. Do you face all disapointments or failurs by "never doint that again?" n/t

[tulsakatz]

10. true....it is what they're supposed to be doing!

after 8 yrs of Bush and talking points issued from the White House to Faux, I guess we've forgotten what role the media is supposed to play!

[Newest Reality]

4. I agree ...

it does not require hate of anyone to see that the MSM is a big game, the President uses rhetoric and we have to grapple with the issue that, despite the talk, big oil is a vested interest in every aspect of our lives down to our very blood and no amount of jibber-jabber will resolve the fact that they have us by the balls, so to speak.

There is so much lip-service to green and alternate, but where, oh where is the action? The Egyptians built pyramids because they wanted to and accomplished it. The Great Wall was quite a feat and it is there, real and before your eyes. WHEN there is a will, there actually is a way. What's wrong with this picture?

The will is simply a cavalcade of noises to distract the masses with mind games that can go on forever. We tend to play into it when we are not diligent enough to be informed to the point of not holding popular and sanctioned views. That is how we are lead, by the titular head and if we continue our way of life will be, by corporate, monoculture decree, dead.

Can we stop playing into the manipulation of easy to pull-off simulations? There are facts and their are fantasy-driven fallacies passing as truth. Ask yourself just how much fantasy the people in this culture live and thrive on today and then consider how much clarity and veracity is a part of that total sum of the societal machine that drives us like a car while espousin values like freedom and choice.

[meowomon]

6. Oh, never dare to criticize Saint Obama!

Why, he's the next best thing to Christ himself according to some of his fans. Obama is as lame as any other corporate Democrat. There. I said it. Get over it.

[moondust]

7. One obvious media problem

is that often in the days and hours leading up to a speech some of the TV talkers express their own opinions about what so-and-so "needs to say" and then when so-and-so doesn't say that we find out there was something wrong with so-and-so's message. A rather presumptuous expectations game. I think there was some of that at work in the MSNBC commentary following the speech.

[DeadEyeDyck]

11. Obama's came up short by not focusing on what has to be...

done to stop the leak. He should have had the best in the WORLD with him showing a plan of what to do to stop the leak!!! We know how to clean it up. Do we know how to stop an underwater gusher? No one will feel very assured until the gusher has halted.

[Ozymanithrax]

15. Well, U.S. law does require BP to pay for it and stop it..but who cares about law. n/t