Iowa Lt. Gov. candidate not sure illegal abortion would warrant death penalty.

[madfloridian]

She needs to think about it a while before giving an answer. That is so amazing to me that we have gone that far down the anti-choice, anti-women's rights road.

From RH Reality Check:

Iowa Candidate Unable to Decide on Proper Abortion Punishment If Procedure Is Made Illegal

It's a question that anti-choice candidates always seem to have the hardest time answering: "What should be the punishment for women or doctors who participate in abortions if it is made illegal?" For Kim Reynolds, Republican candidate for lieutenant governor of Iowa, the answer was no easier.

Good to know she thinks it may not need to be the death penalty, at least.

More on her answer from the Daily Times Herald

If her stance on abortion prevails, and it is criminalized again, what should the penalty be for a physician who performs an abortion or a woman who has one?

“Well, I think it would be equivalent to murder,” Reynolds said. “I would want to research that before I would lay specifically out what the penalties would be.”

If someone is stabbed to death in front of Pizza Ranch now is the culprit guilty of the same crime as a doctor who performs an abortion?

“No,” she said.

So if it’s a different kind murder then?

“I would want to take a look at that and make sure that I completely walked through that before I would say anything right now,” Reynolds said. “I’m not going to give an answer to that right now without thoroughly looking through that and making sure that I’m looking at both sides.”

If she’s strongly pro-life, why hasn’t Reynolds thought about the punishment component as criminalized abortion is the end game, the logical conclusion, of the pro-life movement?

“I don’t know if it needs to be the death penalty,” she said. “Is that what you’re asking me?”

Should the doctors and women involved in the abortion get a ticket, a fine, or should they be executed?

“I think that we would take a look and make sure that the punishment met the crime,” Reynolds said. “It would depend on the level of crime that was served. I would want to be sure to take a look at that before I gave an off-handed comment to that issue.”

It's really hard playing judge and jury with womens' lives, I guess. Glad she is taking time to think about the penalty.

[Ozymanithrax]

1. If such an "abortion" of justice were to happen, the death penalty would be required...

Premeditated murder - wrongfully causing the death of another human being (also known as murder) after rationally considering the timing or method of doing so, in order to either increase the likelihood of success, or to evade detection or apprehension.

Right wingers don't want to be labeled doodlebug crazy, but there would be no gentler punishment possible.

This is why we have to stop the fanatical Christiban from running roughshod over human rights.

[The Magistrate]

3. Exactly, Sir: If It Is Murder, Execution Or Life Imprisonment, For Both Parties, Is Required

If they mean their cry that abortion is murder, they call for such penalties; if they do not support such penalties, they do not believe their cry abortion is murder.

[Ozymanithrax]

6. The cry against abortion is about power, not about law.

[cornermouse]

7. So why are the democrats also putting more restrictions

on abortion? You might want to ask yourself that question because from where I'm sitting it looks an awful lot like the democratic party is trying to work their way into banning abortion via incrementalism; aka baby steps.

[cali]

10. what democrats are putting more restrictions on aborttion?

yes, there are some anti-choice dems just as there are some pro-choice repubs, but it's a gross distortion to claim that the dem party as a whole is working to ban abortions. you might want to change where you're seated and gain a more knowledgeable perspective.

[cornermouse]

12. Financial restrictions don't look any different than legal restrictions

to the poor and they make the procedures just as inaccessible.

My IQ and reasoning are just fine. Thank you for the concern and insult.

Bye Cali. Should have done this a long time ago.

[cali]

16. lol. those who can't cogently refute, run and hide

you failed miserably. What financial restrictions have dems placed on abortion services?

[depakid]

18. The fail belongs to you for not knowing what you're talking about

yet continuing to be insulting:

Obama promises abortion funding ban to pass health care bill

In a deal to ensure the passage of the US healthcare bill, President Barack Obama has agreed to sign an executive order to prevent abortion funding.

Assured by President Barack Obama that no federal dollars will be spent on abortions, anti-abortion Democrats provided the critical votes needed to pass the landmark legislation, the Detroit Free Press reports.

The White House released the text of an executive order to be signed after the health care reform legislation is passed, which states the president's intention "to establish an adequate enforcement mechanism to ensure that federal funds are not used for abortion services" and continues the current Hyde amendment prohibition on taxpayer money being used for abortions.

The executive order requires the Department of Health and Human Services to draw up in six months' time a set of guidelines for states to follow to ensure that federal funds don't pay for abortion coverage. Any such coverage under state insurance exchanges to be created would have to be paid for by the person insured.

"Make no doubt about it, there will be no public funds for abortion," pro-Life Republican Bart Stupak said at the conference, where he was joined by six other members of Congress who were prepared to vote against the legislation but now, with the president's pending order, support it.

More: http://www.cathnews.com/article.aspx?aeid=20184

Obama signs order on abortion and healthcare

President Barack Obama signed an executive order on abortion on Wednesday that had won crucial votes for his healthcare bill, but disappointed women's groups that have been among his most enthusiastic supporters.

More: http://www.reuters.com/article/idUSTRE62N61Y20100324

[cali]

19. no, sorry. As usual you

haven't a wee clue. This got discussed until the cows came home. Anyone who knows anything whatsofrickinever about this, knows that that changed exactly nothing. Try researching the Hyde Amendment.

[depakid]

20. You might salvage at least a little of your reputation by admitting that you got it wrong

and at east not have the grace to not continue with the petty insults about "cluelessness." They look pathetic in general- but especially here, where you've just been burned on the facts.

[Mithreal]

30. +1 Stand with the truthseekers.

[Mithreal]

29. "This got discussed until the cows came home."

You've got to be fucking kidding me that you would use that lame and pathetic response, no offense.

[MsPithy]

26. Every Democrat who voted for the so-called health care reform

threw a woman's right to choose under the bus!

[madfloridian]

21. You are right. Remember this bill introduced by Democrats?

http://journals.democraticunderground.com/madfloridian/4280

Called the Pregnant Women's Support Act. It was supported by Dems for Life and the Catholic Bishops. I don't know the outcome of the bill. Does not indicate that I can see.

"I just looked up the bill introduced by Bob Casey in May of this year. S. 1032. Yes, it does call for an abortion database.

http://www.opencongress.org/bill/111-s1032/text?version=is&nid=t0:is:30

(A) the number and characteristics of women obtaining abortions in the State;

(B) the characteristics of these abortions, including the approximate gestational age of the unborn child, the abortion method, and any known physical or psychological complications.

(3) PERSONAL INFORMATION- A report submitted by a State under this subsection shall not contain the name of any woman obtaining or seeking to obtain an abortion, any common identifier (such as a social security number), or any other identifier (including statistical information) that would make it possible to identify in any manner or under any circumstances an individual who has obtained or seeks to obtain an abortion."

Abortion database?

[roguevalley]

32. may she go fuck herself. oh wait. that might be a crime.

cake or death?

[LiberalFighter]

2. Either it's murder or it's not.

If it's murder than it should require the death penalty.

Otherwise, if it isn't murder than there shouldn't be a law prohibiting it.

And there shouldn't be any law that makes it murder of a fetus in addition to the woman dying as a result of murder. They should imo tag on the murder of a pregnant woman additional charges based on whether the person knew the woman was pregnant. Or if a person could reasonably believe the woman to be pregnant. And there could be charges also based on the pregnancy not being far enough along but the woman knew she was pregnant.


Will they consider aborting a fetus that is dead to be murder? And how do they know that a fetus would had survived if allowed to full term? 1 in 200 pregnancies apparently result in still births. So can they for sure determine that the fetus would survive?

[WinkyDink]

9. What?? Are you under the impression that all murderers are sentenced to death here?

[Angry Dragon]

4. They know nothing

because they have not taken the time to think for themselves.
They just repeat what sounds good in their little world ... the problem is that they want everyone to live in their little world

[madfloridian]

5. Here's the video of the interview. She really is indecisive.

Hey lady, if you call it murder then you must consider the consequences, right?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zhTIp2hTC1w

[cornermouse]

8. k & r

[Warren DeMontague]

11. They haven't thought about it because the minute Roe v. Wade is overturned, people will stop fucking

for non-procreative purposes, and Jesus will do his happy dance again.

:eyes:

[hapkidogal]

13. Can someone tell me

when we reverted back to the 14th Century? These nut cases scare the hell out of me. My concern they will use their second amendment rights to take what they wish. We had better vote in droves!

[xchrom]

14. she really doesn't leave herself much to think about.

“Well, I think it would be equivalent to murder,” Reynolds said. “I would want to research that before I would lay specifically out what the penalties would be.”

[KharmaTrain]

15. Now If It Were Her Daughter...

who went behind her back to get an abortion...now that "consideration" would change in a hurry. The race to the bottom on the right wing not only about woman's rights (and dignity) but also about sex in general do well when it comes to firing up the great unhinged is so full of hypocrisy, yet no one dare call them out on it. The consider "all life is sacred"...except if it's an A-rab or hispanic or LGBT person...and they fight to cut assistance to those "sacred lives"...as Carlin said, "it's all in the timing"...

[BrklynLiberal]

17. Amazing..just f**kin amazing. The next item on the agenda: rescind women's right to vote.

[laughingliberal]

22. K & R nt

[cordelia]

23. K&R nt

[puzzlingpond]

24. thanks for the post.

[madfloridian]

25. I think they are backing themselves into a corner

with their extremists views. They have not carried them out to their logical conclusions.

Welcome to DU

[MsPithy]

27. Dear madfloridian,

I am not far from concluding that not even the most convincing logical argument can penetrate the wall of dogma that protects the minds of conservatives. Can a pro-life woman actually contemplate sentencing a woman to death for having an abortion without her brain evaporating from the complete break with reality? What are we doing? Does pointing out the weaknesses of their rationalizations even matter? Is it even possible for a conservative to be swayed by logic, evidence, or the truth?

[madfloridian]

28. I know. Actually having to ponder execution for doctors and women

is shocking. Even to have to think about it for a moment.

And she is running for lt gov of a state.

We have gone so far down that road it's unbelievable.

[lunasun]

31. doctors have already been executed just need to make it legal now= last step

[Q3JR4]

33. Of course she doesn't want to say what the punishment should be.

You don't want ma and pa right winger to have to face the death penalty after they get back with their daughter from her "vacation" to Mexico (or some other abortion-friendly country) do you?

It's illegal when the peons do it, but for the rich it's business as usual.

Q3JR4
_{Hint: If you're not rich, you're a peon.}

[Peacetrain]

34. First of all , Iowa does not have the death penalty...but secondly

what has cropped up in the republican party now.. is so far off the right ledge and into scary territory, that it is almost numbing..