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davidswanson (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jul-19-10 01:33 PM Original message |
Howard Zinn's the Bomb |
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mod mom (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jul-19-10 01:38 PM Response to Original message |
1. Thanks. His "People's History of the US" is my #1 recommendation in books! |
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AngryOldDem (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jul-19-10 01:41 PM Response to Reply #1 |
2. I just finished that, and I agree. |
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mod mom (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jul-19-10 02:22 PM Response to Reply #2 |
3. and FYI...there's a version for children: |
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AngryOldDem (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jul-19-10 02:32 PM Response to Reply #3 |
5. There's a birthday coming up next month... |
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AngryOldDem (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jul-19-10 02:32 PM Response to Reply #3 |
6. Self-delete |
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proteus_lives (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jul-20-10 01:48 AM Response to Reply #2 |
18. I wasn't that impressed with it. |
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AngryOldDem (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jul-20-10 09:41 AM Response to Reply #18 |
32. To each his own. |
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jtuck004 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jul-20-10 10:40 PM Response to Reply #18 |
57. Do you have any examples? Just curious. n,t, |
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proteus_lives (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jul-21-10 12:25 AM Response to Reply #57 |
64. The general negative theme. |
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Bonobo (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jul-21-10 12:29 AM Response to Reply #64 |
68. "Straight history"! HA HA HA!!! |
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proteus_lives (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jul-21-10 12:38 AM Response to Reply #68 |
72. How amusing you are. |
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Bonobo (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jul-21-10 12:43 AM Response to Reply #72 |
74. LOL. I'm not the one that thinks there is a "straight" history. |
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proteus_lives (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jul-21-10 01:35 AM Response to Reply #74 |
86. Lulz-worthy as always. |
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Bonobo (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jul-21-10 02:13 AM Response to Reply #86 |
90. Well, when you learn history from reading Iron Man comics, things look simple. |
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proteus_lives (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jul-21-10 02:39 AM Response to Reply #90 |
91. I'm assuming you're mining the Silver Age Iron Man. |
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jtuck004 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jul-21-10 01:08 AM Response to Reply #64 |
81. ok, and I didn't mean to set you up for criticism - . |
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proteus_lives (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jul-21-10 01:38 AM Response to Reply #81 |
87. I think you make a valid point. |
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Ignis (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jul-20-10 12:50 PM Response to Reply #1 |
45. +1 |
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kgnu_fan (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jul-21-10 12:26 PM Response to Reply #1 |
106. kick for the afternoon thoughts |
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patrice (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jul-19-10 02:31 PM Response to Original message |
4. re current parallels: Many people don't know that there is a great deal of difference between a mili |
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damntexdem (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jul-19-10 02:53 PM Response to Original message |
7. First we got the bomb and that was good, |
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jimlup (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jul-19-10 03:40 PM Response to Original message |
8. Thanks for posting this! |
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AngryOldDem (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jul-19-10 03:46 PM Response to Reply #8 |
9. It's an extremely quick read, and well worth it. |
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Dystopian (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jul-19-10 05:35 PM Response to Original message |
10. KandR. |
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klook (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jul-19-10 06:27 PM Response to Original message |
11. Yes, Zinn still is "the bomb" |
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naaman fletcher (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jul-19-10 08:42 PM Response to Original message |
12. "the Japanese seeking peace and willing to surrender" |
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davidswanson (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jul-20-10 07:12 AM Response to Reply #12 |
28. near zero? |
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A Physicist (145 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jul-20-10 11:41 AM Response to Reply #12 |
36. "The war with Japan was already over, the Japanese seeking peace and willing to surrender." |
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cachukis (232 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jul-20-10 01:39 PM Response to Reply #36 |
48. A response to wikipedia from the Institute for Historical Review |
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maryf (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jul-19-10 09:51 PM Response to Original message |
13. The horrific form of mass murder... was in no way justifiable. |
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proteus_lives (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jul-20-10 01:47 AM Response to Reply #13 |
17. Are you talking the millions Japan slaughtered in Asia? |
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maryf (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jul-20-10 10:35 PM Response to Reply #17 |
56. Yes, quote from article... |
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proteus_lives (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jul-21-10 12:26 AM Response to Reply #56 |
65. No, they weren't. |
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Joe Fields (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jul-20-10 02:18 AM Response to Reply #13 |
19. It was wholly justifiable, and I don't like nuclear weapons. |
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southmost (528 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jul-19-10 09:52 PM Response to Original message |
14. When i learned of the bombing of Hiroshima and Nagasaki |
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Ignis (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jul-20-10 12:54 PM Response to Reply #14 |
46. Welcome to DU. |
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Dystopian (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jul-20-10 01:25 AM Response to Original message |
15. kick.... |
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proteus_lives (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jul-20-10 01:46 AM Response to Original message |
16. Same old revisionist bullshit. |
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ConsAreLiars (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jul-20-10 02:48 AM Response to Reply #16 |
20. Same old tired and discredited RW BS you post everywhere and every day on this board. |
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Bonobo (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jul-20-10 04:09 AM Response to Reply #20 |
22. Sweet. Your post is full of win. nt |
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Warren DeMontague (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jul-20-10 04:10 AM Response to Reply #20 |
23. By "criminal mass murdering psychopaths" do you mean Truman? FDR? Both? |
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proteus_lives (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jul-20-10 04:44 AM Response to Reply #23 |
26. Yeah, he would have. |
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proteus_lives (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jul-20-10 04:38 AM Response to Reply #20 |
24. What psychopaths? |
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Bonobo (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jul-20-10 04:07 AM Response to Reply #16 |
21. Same old reactionary bullshit. |
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proteus_lives (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jul-20-10 04:43 AM Response to Reply #21 |
25. Canned bullshit? That's you to a T. |
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Bigmack (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jul-20-10 04:59 AM Response to Reply #16 |
27. Wasting my time, but... |
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azul (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jul-20-10 09:03 AM Response to Reply #27 |
29. Good post, thanks. |
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Confusious (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jul-21-10 12:26 AM Response to Reply #29 |
67. It's easy to be high-minded |
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niyad (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jul-20-10 09:13 AM Response to Reply #27 |
31. thank you for this post--to this day, I cannot believe people are defending the use of atomic |
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Tierra_y_Libertad (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jul-20-10 10:01 AM Response to Reply #27 |
33. Yup. The war was over before the bombs. There was no longer a threat from Japan. |
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Bigmack (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jul-20-10 10:57 AM Response to Reply #33 |
34. One of the "Ko" sisters... nt... |
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Tierra_y_Libertad (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jul-20-10 11:40 AM Response to Reply #34 |
35. Indeed. A family became very fond of while I was there. |
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Bigmack (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jul-20-10 11:53 AM Response to Reply #35 |
37. "Eat the apple....." nt |
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proteus_lives (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jul-20-10 11:54 AM Response to Reply #27 |
39. "Why didn't Japan surrender after Hiroshima?" |
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Bonobo (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jul-20-10 12:04 PM Response to Reply #39 |
41. You have become a one-man comedy act. nt |
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proteus_lives (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jul-20-10 12:21 PM Response to Reply #41 |
44. Just to those who want to white-wash history.. |
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Bonobo (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jul-20-10 06:21 PM Response to Reply #44 |
49. Being an apologist for mass slaughter of civilians. |
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Confusious (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jul-20-10 11:58 PM Response to Reply #49 |
58. Being an apologist for mass slaughter of civilians. |
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Bonobo (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jul-21-10 12:01 AM Response to Reply #58 |
59. Wrong. I am arguing against the use of a 2 nukes. |
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Confusious (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jul-21-10 12:08 AM Response to Reply #59 |
61. No, I can't |
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Bonobo (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jul-21-10 12:19 AM Response to Reply #61 |
62. I know you can't and that is the problem. nt |
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Confusious (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jul-21-10 12:23 AM Response to Reply #62 |
63. You've been reading to many history books from japan |
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Bonobo (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jul-21-10 12:26 AM Response to Reply #63 |
66. So what kind of death should be hurled on US citizens for the people we have killed? |
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Confusious (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jul-21-10 12:36 AM Response to Reply #66 |
71. It's all a matter of degrees |
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Bonobo (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jul-21-10 12:47 AM Response to Reply #71 |
75. Yup, the Japanese are responsible. So are we. |
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Confusious (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jul-21-10 12:53 AM Response to Reply #75 |
77. Why wouldn't I be? |
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Bonobo (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jul-21-10 01:00 AM Response to Reply #77 |
79. Come on now. What about bombs dropped on us? |
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Confusious (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jul-21-10 01:10 AM Response to Reply #79 |
82. I'm getting tired of playing your game, but one more time |
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Bonobo (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jul-21-10 01:13 AM Response to Reply #82 |
84. Game over. You aren't consistent. Review thought processes. nt |
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Confusious (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jul-21-10 12:49 AM Response to Reply #66 |
76. Six months of fire bombings |
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proteus_lives (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jul-21-10 12:33 AM Response to Reply #49 |
69. Bullshit. |
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Bonobo (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jul-21-10 12:42 AM Response to Reply #69 |
73. Why did you ignore my post and repeat your talking points. |
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Confusious (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jul-21-10 12:57 AM Response to Reply #73 |
78. I repeated no talking points |
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Bonobo (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jul-21-10 01:01 AM Response to Reply #78 |
80. All talk, no walk. nt |
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Confusious (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jul-21-10 01:11 AM Response to Reply #80 |
83. No intelligent comment, just a little saying. |
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Bonobo (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jul-21-10 01:19 AM Response to Reply #83 |
85. You are the one ignoring citations while offering nothing substantive. nt |
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proteus_lives (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jul-21-10 01:39 AM Response to Reply #73 |
88. Facts aren't notions. |
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Bonobo (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jul-21-10 01:43 AM Response to Reply #88 |
89. You keep ignoring this. I will try one last time, little guy. |
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proteus_lives (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jul-21-10 02:45 AM Response to Reply #89 |
92. And I've read different, little fella. |
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Bonobo (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jul-21-10 02:53 AM Response to Reply #92 |
93. Weren't you the guy who outright LIED about being able to read Japanese? |
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proteus_lives (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jul-21-10 03:12 AM Response to Reply #93 |
95. Link that. |
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Bonobo (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jul-21-10 03:38 AM Response to Reply #95 |
99. I ASKED if it was you. I didn't SAY it was you. Read again. |
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proteus_lives (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jul-21-10 03:43 AM Response to Reply #99 |
100. Obviously, it wasn't. |
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Bonobo (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jul-21-10 03:51 AM Response to Reply #100 |
103. You're right. But I found the Trib link to the article. |
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Bonobo (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jul-21-10 03:01 AM Response to Reply #92 |
94. Oh and just to be clear. You refuse to talk about the citation I posted 4 times. |
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proteus_lives (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jul-21-10 03:18 AM Response to Reply #94 |
97. I'm not ignoring the citation. I've read it before. |
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Bonobo (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jul-21-10 03:36 AM Response to Reply #97 |
98. Okay, I was wrong. |
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Bonobo (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jul-20-10 08:24 PM Response to Reply #44 |
54. I hear crickets. |
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proteus_lives (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jul-21-10 12:35 AM Response to Reply #54 |
70. Pretty hard to hear those crickets at work. |
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Selatius (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jul-20-10 06:46 PM Response to Reply #39 |
50. Nobody in Japan knew what happened to Hiroshima the day after the bomb dropped. |
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kgnu_fan (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jul-20-10 09:48 PM Response to Reply #27 |
55. More choice than four. Zinn found wisdom and that is what he picked up in Japan |
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niyad (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jul-20-10 09:08 AM Response to Original message |
30. k and r--thank you for reminding me to get this book. |
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Dinger (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jul-20-10 11:54 AM Response to Original message |
38. K & Rec # 56 (nt) |
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asdjrocky (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jul-20-10 11:55 AM Response to Original message |
40. I'm looking forward to this. nt |
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kgnu_fan (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jul-20-10 12:06 PM Response to Original message |
42. For those who have conscience of humanity, read Three Holy Wars by Howard Zinn |
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jah the baptist (329 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jul-20-10 12:10 PM Response to Original message |
43. The US should have stayed out of WW2? |
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kgnu_fan (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jul-20-10 01:17 PM Response to Original message |
47. War cannot be accepted no matter what. - Howard Zinn |
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WinkyDink (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jul-20-10 07:00 PM Response to Reply #47 |
51. Tell this to the aggressors. |
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Confusious (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jul-21-10 12:05 AM Response to Reply #47 |
60. That quote, and the one before, make him look naive. nt |
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kgnu_fan (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jul-20-10 07:15 PM Response to Original message |
52. Bring Troop Home from all over the world.. we need to take care of people here!! |
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kgnu_fan (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jul-20-10 07:17 PM Response to Original message |
53. Bring our troop home! |
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Commie Pinko Dirtbag (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jul-21-10 03:16 AM Response to Original message |
96. You know what I think? |
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proteus_lives (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jul-21-10 03:46 AM Response to Reply #96 |
101. The Onion agrees with you. |
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Commie Pinko Dirtbag (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jul-21-10 03:49 AM Response to Reply #101 |
102. They nailed it about the Moon landing too. |
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proteus_lives (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jul-21-10 03:58 AM Response to Reply #102 |
104. Me too. |
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kgnu_fan (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jul-21-10 08:12 AM Response to Original message |
105. The whole discussion in this thread really shows why we are currently doing so many wars |
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