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WillyT Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jul-24-10 07:07 PM
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In Case You Missed This.. 'Final Jeopardy Answer: Something That Doesn’t Obstruct or Impede Justice'
Final Jeopardy Answer: Something That Doesn’t Obstruct or Impede Justice
By: Mary - EmptyWheel
Wednesday July 21, 2010 11:39 pm

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Alex, I’m going with – “What is getting a prosecutor fired for not complying with your political agenda?”

The investigation (not of the U. S. Attorney firings despite misleading headlines) into the Iglesias firing is done. bmaz is ready to change his name to Carnac and Holder’s Department of Justice has shot off a letter-ary masterpiece to the House Judiciary Committee (HJC). As per Carnac’s bmaz’s predictions, no charges.

What bmaz could not have predicted, but did link to in his post, is the actual content of the letter sent to Conyers. I don’t think anyone would have predicted the cavalier way in which Holder’s DOJ reaches its seemingly predetermined decision, while providing a roadmap to other legislators who’d also like to get a prosecutor fired for political convenience. Dannehy and Holder explain to Members of Congress – if a Federal prosecutor isn’t filing or refraining from filing the cases you want, feel free to covertly conspire to get him fired. As long as you don’t make any misguided attempt to “influence” him before you get him fired, you’re good to go. Oh, and btw, phone calls to him at home to fume over his handling – not to worry, those doesn’t count as an attempt to influence.

Stripped and shorn, Holder and Dannehy have said –

1. We aren’t gonna investigate anything but Iglesias and we aren’t saying why: “The investigative team also determined that the evidence did not warrant expanding the scope of the investigation beyond the removal of Iglesias.”

WHAT EVIDENCE? They freakin didn’t expand the scope of the investigation to see what evidence there was, then they decide, oh well, we don’t have any of the evidence we didn’t look for so we shouldn’t look for it since we don’t have it … whatever.

2. Hey, yeah, Domenici DID make a contact to smack on Iglesias about the handling of a matter currently in front of the USA’s office but: “The evidence about the call developed in the course of Ms. Dannehy’s investigation, however, was insufficient to establish an attempt to pressure Mr. Iglesias to accelerate his charging decisions.”

So similar to the lack of intent to torture – I mean, if Domenici in good faith thought he was just gathering intel on the status of political prosecutions … um, let’s move on.


3. Instead of trying influence Iglesias, Holder and Dannehy think that Domenici *just* got Iglesias fired for not pursuing political bias in his prosecutions. “The weight of the evidence established not an attempt to influence but rather an attempt to remove David Iglesias from office, in other words, to eliminate the possibility of any future action or inaction by him.”

4. This, they say, is fine. Seriously. They say there’s nothing DOJ can do about it. It’s no problem for politicians to get DOJ lawyers fired for not being political lapdogs. But to be fair, they then finish up by saying both, “In closing, it is important to emphasize that Attorney General Holder is committed to ensuring that partisan political considerations play no role in the law enforcement decisions of the Department” and (bc that wasn’t really the closing after all) “The Attorney General remains deeply dismayed by the OIG/OPR findings related to politicization of the Department’s actions, and has taken steps to ensure those mistakes will not be repeated.”

HUH? They’ve just said it is perfectly legal for politicians to get USAs who won’t do their political bidding fired by covert contacts with the WH, but Holder is “committed” to ensuring partisan political considerations play no role at DOJ? WTH? I guess if you put those two concepts together and held them in your mind for long, you’d end up committed too.


5. Anyway, they pull all of this off by giving a Bybee-esque review of “18 U.S.C. § 1503 punishes anyone who ‘corruptly . . . influences, obstructs, or impedes, or endeavors to influence, obstruct, or impede, the due administration of justice.” It’s a simple thing – according to Holder and Dannehy, Domenici didn’t try to “influence” Iglesias, he just had Iglesias fired. Which obviously isn’t an attempt to obstruct or impede. I mean, there’s nothing that *doesn’t impede* a case like getting the prosecutor handling it fired.

They also explain to us that they can’t go after Domenici for trying to get, then getting, Iglesias fired – at least, not under 18 USC 1503, because that section “penalizes only forward-looking conduct.” So Domenici would have to be doing something that would involve forward-looking conduct. And after all, as they just said (see 3 above) Domenici wasn’t trying “in other words, to eliminate the possibility of any future action or inaction by .” Oh, except for, you know, they actually say in the letter that’s exactly what Domenici WAS doing. Trying to affect future action or inaction – in a forward-looking way with his forward-looking conduct.

This clarifies so many things. Who knew, until now, that the only person who got things right during the Saturday Night Massacre was Robert Bork?

Nixon wrote the first act in DOJ’s current play (which is only fair, since he also wrote their anthem that it’s not illegal if the President does it) when he arranged for the firing of prosecutors who were bugging him, but in response to a livid Congressional response, using words like impeachment and obstruction, said:

“…In all of my years of public life, I have never obstructed justice. And I think, too, that I can say that in my years of public life that I’ve welcomed this kind of examination, because people have got to know whether or not their President’s a crook. Well, I’m not a crook!”


And now Dannehy and Holder have made that chapter and verse – nothing wrong with firing some prosecutors if they aren’t playing politics. Poor Karl Rove – so much trouble could have been avoided if he had just known that a Democratic administration’s DOJ would take the position that it would be perfectly ok for him to get Bush to fire Fitzgerald (something that apparently made even Buscho lawyers Gonzales and Miers flinch) – no obstruction, no impeding – as long as Rove never tried to “influence” the prosecutor first.

And now DOJ prosecutors now know exactly how things work. It’s been spelled out. No one will try to influence them. It’s just that if they aren’t making Obama’s favorite politicians and fundraisers happy, well – their career may have a little accident.

With AGeewhiz’s like Holder, we can rest easy. Gonzales may have been afraid to come out and state DOJ’s policy plainly. He never quite coughed out the admission that it is DOJ policy that Republican Senators who conspire with the Republican WH to get prosecutors fired for not carrying out the Republican Senator’s political agenda are acting well within their rights. Holder is not nearly so timid. He’s spelled it out. Prosecutors are fair game for Congresspersons, at least those with the right WH ties.


I guess we should be grateful he hasn’t handed out paintball guns to Democratic legislators and encouraged them to mark the weak links in his legal herd – the ones that haven’t been compliant enough to keep their jobs.

At least, not yet.

And besides, haven’t we already learned what Holder just told Conyers in that letter?

Firing the Republicans in 2006 and 2008 didn’t impede or obstruct the attacks on the rule of law one little bit.

Update: On the good news front – Happy Day fatster!

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Link: http://emptywheel.firedoglake.com/2010/07/21/final-jeopardy-answer-something-that-doesnt-obstruct-or-impede-justice/

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Gold Metal Flake Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jul-24-10 07:25 PM
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1. It's pragmaticalicious in it's sensibilocity.
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WillyT Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jul-24-10 07:37 PM
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2. LOL !!! - I Think I'll Take It With A Spoonful Of Sugar


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Gold Metal Flake Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-25-10 09:29 AM
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5. Gonna take a lot of sugar to make this tyranny go down.
We will need the industrial strength syrup from the so-called Liberal Media(tm). "Story supression powers: ON!"
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Enthusiast Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-25-10 08:05 AM
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4. That was good! nt
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bleever Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jul-24-10 07:55 PM
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3. Thank you, Michael Mukasey.
And thanks for nothing, Eric Holder.

What a travesty.
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Tsiyu Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-25-10 11:32 AM
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6. Why can't Holder's apathy and distaste for prosecution
Edited on Sun Jul-25-10 11:35 AM by Tsiyu

trickle down on the Denver area, where an 83-yr-old disabled Black woman is being prosecuted for selling single cigarettes out of a pack?

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=389x8812189

Damn, that Tinkle Down doesn't work anywhere, does it?


We use our courts and $$$$$ to molest and further impoverish the elderly and downtrodden all day, every day, all over this land, but we have no courage or desire to use any of those vast resources to protect the integrity of those courts from the political, greed-driven desires of the elites.

It's a free-for-all for the Big Boyz and HELL ON EARTH for the rest of us, when it comes to our courts.

"Democracy" and "Checks and Balances" and "Equal Protection" at work right there.

Yesiree Bob......

edit to add link and appropriate punctuation


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alterfurz Donating Member (723 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-25-10 11:33 AM
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7. makes you wonder if Nixon might have got off today?
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Recursion Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-25-10 04:37 PM
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10. Umm... Nixon got off back then, didn't he?
He was never impeached, never indicted, and pardoned before any charges were even brought against him.
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SidDithers Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-25-10 11:38 AM
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8. Unrec and hide...
if I wanted idiocy from FDL, I'd go there for it. We don't need everything they post mirrored here.

Sid
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Hissyspit Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-25-10 02:06 PM
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9. Rec'd
Marcy Wheeler was a guest speaker for DU in D.C. And she's brilliant. And I'll mirror her here if I damn well want to.

This Justice result is abysmal and pretending it's not, doesn't make it not.



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Jim Lane Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-25-10 05:56 PM
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11. Rec'd -- no, we don't need everything from FDL or any other source mirrored here.
Instead, DUers exercise their judgment and post here about things at FDL, Kos, the WaPo, or even Faux Noise that they think are worthy passing on. Other DUers who agree rec the posts.

For my part, I think this analysis of the DoJ action is one of the most valuable posts I've seen on DU today.
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Bluebear Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-25-10 05:59 PM
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12. Reccd too, to counteract "ignored's" unrec!
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Fumesucker Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-25-10 06:04 PM
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13. K&R, thanks for posting..
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