MSNBC Question du jour: Will the Wikileaks document dump place our troops in jeapordy?

[Stinky The Clown]

Wow, such original thought, oh great left wing wannabe network**.

How about the REAL question: Do the Winileaks dumped documents show us the wars were for a lie? Do they show that George Cheney and Dick Bush were war criminals? Do the documents demonstrate that America is All About Oil?

Another squandered opportunity in a time of endless squandered opportunities.




**The evening Lefty Lineup notwithstanding, MSNBC is part of the same Fourth Estate Cabal as Fox News - and maybe worse because they *pretend* to be liberal.

[HillbillyBob]

1. All of those 'secrets' need to come out in order to

keep at least a semblance of democracy.

[mike_c]

2. does WikiLeaks put our ruling class in jeopardy....

That's the question. Answer: no, but it might embarrass the shit out of them. Or at least it should.

U.S. out of Iraq and Afghanistan NOW! Out means OUT!

[Vickers]

3. No, an illegal war placed them in jeopardy.

DUH.

:eyes:

[ixion]

5. Exactly. Illegal, unnecessary and stupid

Stupid, just like this question from M$NBC.

[closeupready]

11. Yes, FAR MORE than the story du jour, IMO.

n/t

[gratuitous]

4. Now we can place the blame for all those dead troops where it rightly belongs

Wikileaks! Who knew?

Bush? Absolved.
Cheney? Absolved.
Powell? Absolved.
Rumsfeld? Absolved.
Rice? Absolved.
Gonzales? Absolved.
Yoo? Absolved.

It was Wikileaks all the time!

[closeupready]

12. Exactly. Situation Normal, All Fucked Up.

:mad:

[Solly Mack]

6. Will releasing torture memos harm - Will releasing the photo evidence of torture harm

It's never - Will the crimes and lies cause harm, is it?

Damn cameras.

[SpiralHawk]

7. Spin, Baby, spin. MSNBC (R)

Ptoooey on RepubliCorporate Media.

[xchrom]

8. Did we ever get an official Declaration of War

Against Iraq and Afghanistan?

I mean an awful lot of blood and treasure
Seems flowing there.

[immune]

9. Fighting the wrong war, in the wrong place.

I'm sorry, but enabling lying war mongers and keeping their killing machine well oiled is always dangerous, whether people outside the battle zone know the truth or not. Know thine enemy isn't just a pretty phrase in a book.

[flyarm]

18. there is no Right war or a right place for war. ever..there is only war for a ruling few. and the

riches of even fewer.

[immune]

25. The right war would be against lies and the liars

who profit from physical war. The right place for a justifiable "war" would be wherever and by whomever those lies originate and if the few proponents of physical war were struck down before their lies were promulgated, these wars wouldn't have to include bullets and bombs and tens of thousands of dead bodies.

Of course for that to work, a huge majority of people would have to refuse to be goverened by abject fear and hatred of the "other", so I'm not holding my breath.

[Enrique]

10. I hope Rachel covers this story in depth

she may stay away from it, but she might go into it. She might be the only one who does.

[KansDem]

13. Here it comes...is bucking the system "putting our troops in danger?"

No, assholes. Lying us into war for the benefit of the wealthy few "puts our troops in danger."

And "yes"...Bush and Cheney are war criminals!

[Tierra_y_Libertad]

14. Ironically, there will undoubtedly be an "investigation" to find the "leakers".

But, not one to identify the criminals who started and continue the lost war.

[Ichingcarpenter]

15. I don't expect the news networks to even read them

Research and facts are not their thing.




The only journalist that will read and try to disseminate and put together the real story of the 90 thousand pages is the internet and maybe Rachel and her crew with the help of the internet.

[Jackpine Radical]

16. How the hell could their audience have any idea

of the harm, or lack thereof, that might result from the doc dump? People don't have any grasp of the issues. Certainly I don't, but I imaginer the main effect will be that of making the war less popular on the home front.

Just like the Pentagon Papers.

[moondust]

19. Exactly.

How the hell would the leaker have any idea what might endanger somebody else's life and what would definitely not?

War is an ugly business and I'm sure this one is no exception. I don't need to read a boatload of classified documents to know that.

[flyarm]

17. their lives were put at risk by our government..this may save their lives!

Had the Pentagon papers been released 4 years earlier than they were..perhaps the Black Wall in DC would be smaller..and perhaps those young people who's names parents and family members that use paper and pencils to trace their names..might have grandchildren or daughter in laws or son in laws from the children they lost in a war that was also a lie of a war..for corporate greed and power and political power...

Instead the family members are left with only a piece of paper and their pencil..and can only trace their family members name from a cold black wall...

I pray that these documents stop these damn wars, before we have to have another damn big black wall of death..of names..and save families the anguish of a funeral of their child! and the loss of their offspring..or another mother having to help her son or daughter with fake legs and arms..to button their clothes and wash their child knowing that the limb they lost was lost for damn lies and the profit of some greedy mtf'er!

And I pray forgiveness for my country of those we have killed and murdered for profit and greed..I know it won't bring an Iraqi or Afghan child back..or a grandma or grandpa back..or their mommy or daddy back..but all I have the power to do is ask for forgiveness...and keep demanding that my government stop this murderous carnage for greed and stealing their natural resources for the riches of few fuckers in my own country!

[mike r]

20. Who will be the last soldier to die for a lost cause?

[WinkyDink]

21. Or more children and wedding parties? Hello, Lt. Calley.

[Triana]

22. "MSNBC is part of the same Fourth Estate Cabal as Fox News"

You got that right. They all are. No exceptions. The lame$tream media are all as guilty as Fox. Fox just happened to get caught. And they got away with it because no one called them on it and they immediately pointed their fingers somewhere else.

There are a few programs they allow (Olbermann, Rachel) - because they pull the ratings. And that translates into money and mind you that is the ONLY reason these programs are allowed. Just like 'health care' companies and insurance companies - their bottom line is not helping people or serving the public, informing or saving lives. Quite the opposite. Their bottom line is MONEY. That's all they give a damn about. That's corprat Amerika. If they prematurely end or ruin lives making that money - so be it. Who's gonna stop 'em?

Nobody. Because the corprats who own and control the media (about 6 big ones) also own and control the government.

To use one of my mother's phrases: "They've got it all sewed up." There ya go.

The REAL modern-day "Tea Party" in the U.S. of A$$ is those of us who sit here silently and pay our taxes but have no representation in our own gov't because our own gov't exists solely to represent the corporations. The rest of us can drop dead as far as the plutocracy/kleptocracy are concerned. If we're not giving or making money for the gov't or the corprats - we are of no use to them.

[flyarm]

24. GE owner of NBC MSNBC CNBC got the 5th largest NO BID contracts in Iraq!

I have ni idea how much they got in Afghan..but I sure as hell would like to know!

[Soylent Brice]

23. of course. it's not important to address our unjustifiably insane acts of violence toward

civilians, carried out in the name of freedom etc etc etc.

why, that would be preposterous.

[dtexdem]

26. Bushista war crimes put ALL the troops in jeopardy.

And the entire U.S. in jeopardy. And the populations of several nations in jeopardy.

So, by all means, let's blame the messenger who has made this clear.

[WinkyDink]

27. "The White House" says yes. Ya know, as a Boomer, I like Oldies, but not WAR Oldies. Pentagon Papers

Re-dux.

http://topics.philly.com/article/076y1hod5o5HJ?q=White+House

http://caselaw.lp.findlaw.com/scripts/getcase.pl?court=us&vol=403&invol=713

http://www.spiegel.de/international/world/0,1518,699677,00.html

http://rawstory.com/rs/2010/0611/daniel-ellsberg-fears-hit-wikileaks-founder/

[asdjrocky]

28. I'm 50, so at the time the Pentagon Papers were released-

I wasn't exactly politically aware, but didn't I hear the same exact arguments about the Pentagon Papers that I'm hearing about Wikileaks?

[EFerrari]

29. Yes, we did! nt

[L0oniX]

30. They learned the lessons from Vietnam about war video and information.

Just what if Wikileaks were to have been around when the Gulf of Tonkin so called incident occurred?

http://www.gwu.edu/~nsarchiv/NSAEBB/NSAEBB132/index.htm

[DirkGently]

31. Pentagon and WH lose the benefit of the doubt here

This war's a mess. America supported going in to get Bin Laden, and he's gone. So what is the mission? Building a western democracy in the moutains of Afghanistan is not a reasonable goal.

From what's appeared in the press so far (e.g. http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/38411835/ns/world_news-the_new_york_times/) there's no indication Wikileaks has revealed troop movements or other intel that can be used to kill Americans or other allied forces.

What leaks do seem to show is 1) The war is even a bigger mess than we already know it to be. Corruption among Afghan leaders, military, and police is bad beyond the telling of it, and 2) This is becoming a black ops, CIA war, with kill squads and drone use deliberately placed outside of public review.

Enough already. Pull the plug, and make the born again Republican deficit hawks go along; given they're arguing we can't afford a few breadcrumbs for our unemployed, our elderly, and our sick, we sure can't afford this.

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