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kentuck Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-01-10 02:17 PM
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Our country cannot survive one more round of Reaganomics...
Even if we have to fight to the last man and woman, we cannot allow it to happen. Our country cannot survive another huge taxcut for the wealthy with uncontrolled spending. There is no reason to expect it would be any different this time around. The Republicans have declared publicly that they wish to do the same thing again.

President Obama and the Democrats have not yet fixed the mess left by George W Bush and Republicans. Many Democratic supporters think they are moving too slow. However, with these radicals blocking or limiting everything proposed by Obama, we are lucky to get anything done. But one thing is for certain: We cannot return to the policies of the past. We cannot survive another round.

If we care about our country and the future of our children and grandchildren, we must prevent the Republicans from taking control. It is war, people. The Tea Party people and the so-called conservatives cannot get it through their thick skulls that Reaganomics was a dismal failure. It has brought our country to the verge of collapse. We cannot permit one more round of this insanity.
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Cary Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-01-10 02:20 PM
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1. We can't survive one more round of "conservatives"
Edited on Sun Aug-01-10 02:22 PM by Cary
"Supply-side economics" sophistry is certainly pernicious and evil, but it's not the only thing about them that's pernicious and evil.

It sounds like you're starting to see the bigger picture here, and it's not a moment too soon. I hope your new-found clarity is contagious.

Did you catch Boehner and McConnell at all with Chris Wallace this morning, claiming that tax cuts to corporations and the rich were the key to growth? Right, like they "grew" our economy the last decade--their "growth" was all flim flam.
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Enthusiast Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-02-10 06:49 AM
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21. It was all flim flam.
Imagine, no actual job growth even with two wars going.
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Cary Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-02-10 11:57 AM
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22. The concentration of wealth was no accident.
It was a concerted effort to fleece the middle class.
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Enthusiast Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-02-10 12:11 PM
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23. And that is an ugly thing to contemplate.
What purpose would it serve to eradicate the middle class? I guess if you want to emulate Mexico as a model for your country, okay.
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Kurt_and_Hunter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-01-10 02:20 PM
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2. What does "uncontrolled spending" have to do with it?
In today's world we got 99 problems with tax cuts for the rich but the deficit ain't one.

:hit me:

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Enrique Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-01-10 02:20 PM
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3. Reaganomics would be too liberal for the current GOP
Reagan actually raised taxes several times. This GOP will go back to Bush policies.
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Cary Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-01-10 02:23 PM
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4. The only reason Reagan wasn't more like Bush
. . . was that he had a Democratic Congress to constrain him. Otherwise he would have been the same damn thing.
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ThomWV Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-01-10 02:35 PM
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5. Your post easily earned a recommendation from me, and I would add its not just economics
Edited on Sun Aug-01-10 02:37 PM by ThomWV
Every policy of the Reagan Administration was poison for the country, not just his economic policies. One of his first and most enduring accomplishments was to go to war with working women and men and their labor unions, the very basic element of democratic action - the banning together of working people for their own common good. War, pure and simple war. Ronald Reagan was the worst President this county has ever had and given the chance I'd gladly piss on his grave.

On Edit: Added the word "Gladly" to the phrase "I'd piss on his grave" just to make sure you understood where I stand.
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indepat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-01-10 03:31 PM
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16. Thom, my present thesis is every one of junior's policies and actions was poison for the country and
every such policy and action continued/ratified by this administration will come back to bite it in the proverbial ass and forever haunt/taint it. :P
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Phoebe Loosinhouse Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-01-10 02:39 PM
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6. Where are the literate Dems who could talk about the last you do in a recession
Edited on Sun Aug-01-10 02:40 PM by Phoebe Loosinhouse
is cut spending? Why don't they just debate? They have history and basic economics on their side.

Because they're too scared to do it - someone might say bad things about them and say they don't care about the deficits and the children! the grandchildren!

K&R by the way.
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Cary Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-01-10 02:42 PM
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7. Anti-intellectualism
No amount of history or basic economics will sway the rat-bastards on the right who think they know everything by osmosis. The fact is they aren't smart enough to engage in any real analysis.

It's a complete waste of time. Believe me when I tell you that I've tried. It's the old never try to teach a pig to sing, the pig never sings and it just gets mad at you.

It's happened here on DU as well, so. . .
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Cary Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-01-10 02:43 PM
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8. And if you want someone really, really good. . .
Krugman.
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Lint Head Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-01-10 02:50 PM
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9. What country? We live in a theocratic corporate state.
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Dawn40 Donating Member (17 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-01-10 03:05 PM
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10. Reagan was the start of corporatism
Conservatives believe that by allowing corporatists and wealthy Americans to keep more of the profits, and by encouraging them to trade internationally and build factories overseas, more prosperity than ever will trickle down to the rest of America, creating more, and better, higher paying jobs.
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Taitertots Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-01-10 03:10 PM
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11. Reaganomics from an economics stand point is sure to fail
There is no way to model Reaganomics/Bushonomics without having highly unfavorable results.
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eleny Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-01-10 03:16 PM
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12. I'm reminded of what Howard Zinn said when Kerry was running for president
Paraphrased, he said something about how Kerry wasn't perfect but at least "a little ledge to stand on". It's cold comfort but it may be all we have right now.

Meantime, I'm voting for Romanoff in our Primary. I'm very disappointed that Perlmutter, who is running unopposed, voted for more war funding. Another little ledge.

K&R
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TheKentuckian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-01-10 03:17 PM
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13. That's what I'm saying but arrogant "pragmatic liberals" and silly "sensible centrist" never listen
Neoliberals love them some voodoo economics anyway and Lord knows if certain people go along with something even as absurd as blowing up the deficit and gutting the safety net to extend these cuts then the wisdom will be reevaluated or at least excused.
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xxqqqzme Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-01-10 03:24 PM
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14. I don't think
we are going to survive the current round.
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kentuck Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-01-10 03:27 PM
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15. It is still in question.
So the basic question will be, who do you most trust to save our country from total economic collapse, the Democrats or Republicans? So far, the Republicans have proved themselves incapable of governing this country. We have no choice but to give the Democrats a chance.
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LooseWilly Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-01-10 04:24 PM
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17. Who do I most trust to save our republic from total economic collapse?
Why, Annakin Skywalker, of course... he's a Jedi, so he must be a good guy...
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Cary Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-01-10 08:34 PM
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18. That's your idea of reality?
That explains a lot.
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LooseWilly Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-02-10 06:22 AM
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20. That's my take on the reality/validity of this question as posed.
That anyone could take it seriously as posed... says a lot as well. ;)
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sendero Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-01-10 08:38 PM
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19. It's really too late..
.. it's already been done.

Obama has made it abundantly clear that he is not able or willing to do much of anything about it. The recently passed "financial reform" bill has scads of bullshit we don't need and does not have the simple thing we do need, namely Glass-Stegall or it's equivalent.

The tax cuts about to expire are the next test. If he wants to do the right thing, he will renew the cuts for those making less than $250K as he promised in his campaign. If he wants to be a total putz (cannot rule it out) he will extend the tax cuts for everyone.

Most likely he will take the middle ground as usual and just let the cuts expire. Oh well it's better than nothing.
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Barack2theFuture Donating Member (353 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-02-10 12:23 PM
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24. "reaganomics" has not stopped, or even slowed, since the 1980's.
we can't afford it *now*.

pretty much every economic initiative from the Obama administration has been almost entirely supply-side reaganomics.
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blindpig Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-02-10 01:09 PM
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25. What do you call the privatization of everything?

We don't have to wait for the Repubs to take over, it's here.

The Republicans could never have gotten away with that reactionary health care bill.

The Republicans could never have gotten away with the assault on public education.

The Republicans tried and failed at privatizing Social Security. Who created the Cat Food Commission anyways?

I really don't know what you're worried about, how much more damage can be done to the working class?
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Scurrilous Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-03-10 03:48 AM
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26. Indeed. n/t
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