Howard Dean is.... DLC?

[scheming daemons]

He just spent a 10 minute segment on Morning Joe being an unabashed supporter of Barack Obama, including Obama's Afghanistan policy (at the end of the segment).


He also said that entitlements needed to be on the table (along with defense and tax cuts) for fixing the deficit.


If he came on DU and posted EXACTLY what he said on Morning Joe, he'd be accused of being a cheerleading "sensible" Democrat and be unrecced into oblivion.

[DrDan]

1. but - he said the solution for Social Security was to remove the cap

not cut benefits

[Skidmore]

2. Oh, for pity's sake.

Jesu. Sometimes you can't tell the left from the right and right now is one of those times. Actually, we are having a lot of those times on DU now.

Nothin' like no context. Just a drive-by hit.

[Donnachaidh]

5. thank you!

Drive-by hit exactly! :eyes:

[Jackpine Radical]

7. Or a drive-by Sherroding?

I didn't see it, and have no idea of what was said or in what context.

[scheming daemons]

10. Watch the MSNBC clip later today when it becomes available.

Howard Dean's words were exactly what folks like me have been saying for months.

[scheming daemons]

8. He said EXACTLY what we "cheerleaders" have been saying for months... and with the same context

Watch the clip when it becomes available.

[Bandit]

14. Which do you believe

There will be no more supplemental war spending bills because it will all be within the General Budget or we need Supplemental War spending from time to time.
Both are positions of Obama.

[lame54]

3. Should Dean be immune from such a fate?...

we should get the hell out of Afghanistan

[moksha]

4. I didn't see it, so I don't know exactly what was said, but I can say he

is wrong if he is supporting Obama's Afghanistan disaster.

[zipplewrath]

6. Context is everything

I'll be critical here in ways I won't generally be around the right wingers. I'm a major defender of Obama around the right wingers, even on issues I might be critical of around here. On Afghanistan, the right wingers don't have a leg to stand on in criticizing Obama, not after 8 years of disaster on Bush's part.

As a strategy, when dealing in public, one needs to be willing to discuss entitlements, IN THE CONTEXT OF DEFENSE CUTS, and other programs. However, one can also say that knowing that the two will compare favorably for entitlements. And what does it mean to be "on the table" when coming from a Howard Dean? None of the programs are perfect and putting them on the table can be an opportunity to strip right wing restrictions and complications out that do nothing but pander to their social conservatives and increase costs. Yeah, let's put "social security" on the table and discuss the caps, or how "capital gains" have no payroll taxes upon them. So GOP wanna have them "on the table" now?

[scheming daemons]

9. He used the same context we "cheerleaders" have been using....

He supported Obama 100% on everything... including Afghanistan.

[JNelson6563]

11. That's because Dean is a team player.

He knows how politics work. Unlike many he's not out for himself, he tends to think greater good.

I love Dean. Still.

Julie

[Skidmore]

13. Me too.

Have great respect for that man and his wife.

[zipplewrath]

12. Here?

He hardly came around with that list of 100+ accomplishments or anything.

But more importantly he didn't come around HERE with those statements.

I've seen cheerleading practice, they ain't nearly so cheery in practice as they are at the game.

[stray cat]

15. If Dean is an enemy those who call themselves pure progressives are a stark minority

with no clout. Seriously a more alienated fringe group than the tea partiers

[stray cat]

16. Everybody who has an opinion other than yours is DLC?

[Guy Whitey Corngood]

20. I'm gonna have to ask this again. Do you read shit before you reply? nt

[QC]

21. No. n/t

[Mass]

17. delete

[DFW]

18. Simple enough question, simple enough answer

No.

[saltpoint]

19. Howard Dean is

Howard Dean.

And there is quite a lot to like about Howard Dean.

[miscsoc]

22. I'm sure he's historically had some connection with the DLC

Also the sort of carefully worded statement a politician makes on television is quite a different thing from the sort of comment one makes among other lefties on a message board.

[DevonRex]

23. Well, he is a Democrat and we've been thrown under the bus here, you know.

Since we're sensible and won't go third party.