Burn the Confederate Flag Day - 12 Sep 10!

[emanymton]

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Burn the Confederate Flag Day is a protest against the right's exploitation of racial prejudice for political gain. We urge you to burn the Confederate flag, a long-time symbol of racial hatred, on Sept 12, the date when the racially-divisive Tea Party holds its annual hate fest.



For more information go to:

http://sites.google.com/site/burnrebelflagday/

Ema Nymton
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[Veeger]

1. Hate not heritage?

That's not even the Confecderate flag. That's a battle flag.

[oneshooter]

5. It doesn't matter, they don't care as long as it is something they hate. n/t

[RaleighNCDUer]

10. It is A confederate flag. It is not the flag of the confederacy.

It is, in any case, the most recognized symbol of the confederacy.

[happyslug]

19. From what I can see it is NOT a Battle Flag, it is rectangular

Which it is either a Confederate Naval Jack (used on Warships only) OR the flag adopted by the KKK in 1905. If you want to be technical, go all the way.

The key is NOT what that piece of material meant in 1865 or even 1905 but what it means TODAY. The Swastika had been a symbol of good luck for Millennia (Only in the late 1800s was it adopted by Anti-Semitic Germans as an anti-Jewish symbol, from these early anti-semitics the Nazis picked up the Symbol in the 1920s). The God Apollo was often shown to have a Swastika craved on the back of his seat on Mt Olympus. Do we say that since the Swastika was a symbol of good luck for Millenia, that when a person paints one he is saying "Good Luck" today? NO, we understand what the Swastika means TODAY and when we see it we understand what it stands for TODAY. When someone draws a Swastika, he is NOT saying good luck, we all know what he is saying. The same with the Confederate Flag when shown in public (Not in some Civil War re-enactment, which tend to use actual copes of the Square Confederate Battle Flag instead of the rectangular Flag adopted by the KKK in 1905), we know what the people flying the rectangular "Confederate Flag" are saying when it is flown (Some people fly it as a symbol that they are a rebel, but most such claims are just cover stories).

[d_r]

2. only if I steal one

I'm not paying money to anybody selling one.

[izquierdista]

4. They're all 'Made in China' anyway

[d_r]

9. yeah but

I don't want to give anybody money who is SELLING them

[AspenRose]

23. I like your sig tag

:thumbsup:

[d_r]

37. thanks

[KansDem]

29. Print one off the Internet(s)

Confederate flag

Use recycled paper.



edited to provide Google links only...

[d_r]

38. good idea

it was interesting to look at that picture search. I'd rather steal one. There's a couple I've been burning to cut down, but I'm too old and mortal and with children to go cut down flags anymore.

[LargeGreenSpider]

3. I've been waiting for this for a long time

Where do we burn 'em?

[Towlie]

6. "Where do we burn 'em?" On the side opposite of where you're holding on.

[oneshooter]

7. I will fly the " Bonny Blue" on that day. n/t

[Radical Activist]

89. I suggest a civl war related location

such as a battlefield or memorial statue. It should be a reminder that the confederate flag is a symbol of treason to the Constitution and United State of America.

[TreasonousBastard]

8. Is this really necessary?

[emanymton]

12. It Is The Silly Season

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Why should the sinners have all the good fun?

Ema Nymton
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[lpbk2713]

11. Groan ...

[Kalyke]

41. LMAO!!!!

I'm in the South and I have noticed that folks from the North who post on this board talk far more about the Civil War than Southerners do in everyday conversations with friends, co-workers, family, etc.

Your post made me laugh out loud, truly.

:hi:

[Silent3]

13. Seems pretty silly to me

Thinking you need to burn a symbol to show your contempt for it gives the symbol too much power.

I support the right of anyone to burn anything, however -- so long as they own what they burn, aren't creating a safety hazard, and aren't creating a lot of needless pollution. It's important to protected such protests as free speech.

I don't think people who engage in this particular form of protest, however, are really helping their own causes very much.

[emanymton]

20. A.B.S.O.L.U.T.E.L.Y - But There Are Times One Has To Be.

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TeaBagging/Republicant Party understand nothing but ignorance. This is the time to show TeaBagging/Republicant twits just how far 'the stupid' has taken them.

Ema Nymton
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[RamboLiberal]

14. To me it smacks of Tea-Partier stupidity

Count me out. I'm not stooping to their level. I loathe that ignorant flag though.

[proud2BlibKansan]

15. I'm there!!

Absolutely wonderful idea!!

[gratuitous]

16. It does speak a language the knuckleheads understand

I probably won't participate, but I will watch with great amusement how indignant some folks get.

[Dr.Phool]

17. Kick and Rec. More info.

http://tpmdc.talkingpointsmemo.com/2010/08/one-progressives-natl-scheme-to-burn-confederate-flags-at-tea-party-rallies.php?ref=fpa

An anonymous liberal blogger in Washington state hopes that progressives across the country will show up to tea party rallies on September 12 and -- if it's legal -- light up a confederate flag so tea partiers can watch it burn.

"I think that it would start a great conversation about race and about how it's being used for political gain right now," the blogger, who preferred to be identified by his online handle, "General J.C. Christian," told me Monday. "I can imagine people showing up at the tea parties, which I'll do at my local one, and the tea party backers will start explaining why is about state's rights, not slavery, and all that and basically hang themselves."

"I think that will be one of the messages that come out of the tea party events if my idea works out and people actually embrace it," he added.

General JC Christian, who writes the satirical anti-conservative blog Jesus' General, says he's serious about Burn The Confederate Flag Day, which he announced Sunday night on Facebook and the web. And while there's no sign so far that Burn The Confederate Flag Day will spread across the nation, the idea seems sure to at least ruffle some tea party feathers.

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[gratuitous]

71. Wait, this is from Jesus' General?

Maybe I'll reconsider my decision not to participate. I thought there might be something . . . you know . . . about all this, but if comes on orders directly from J.C. Christian himself, I can be sure that it's 100% heterosexually safe!

[era veteran]

18. Tacky & divisive

About a 1/2 ass statement. 145 fucking years ago, fucking move on.Go exercise your 1st Amendment rights I'll back you up but just like burning the Stars and Stripes, Old Glory, and The Star-Spangled Banner it is tacky. I am a Southerner and not proud of that flag but too many good men died like pawns under it. I have buried way too many soldiers while in a Regular Army Honor Guard to like seeing our flag burned. If this makes any of you proto- commies mad, so be it. Don't mean nothin'.
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[WheelWalker]

21. Not to mention inflammatory.

Preferably, the tea baggers are shunned by all sentient beings, and their incoherent agenda dies a natural death on the vine.

Blessings.

[EFerrari]

54. This proto commie doesn't think this is a good idea

but thanks for the shout out!

[WheelWalker]

61. A "proto commie"..... is that like a communist tool?

Or, a primitive form of communist adherent? The term is not familiar to this jungle remnant of the hippie underground.

[EFerrari]

78. I just like to razz people who are still fighting the Cold War.

:)

[era veteran]

85. I know & thats good, it is time to move on, but help me

here. If the Communist state, E Germany, for instance, was a good example of the quality of life that that particular economic system produced, why do some of my way more left than me socialist friends want to return to that system? Is it wrong to think Pollyanna may have a seat at their table? I do believe in the economic system of socialism as it seems more able than the communist and the running dog capitalist pig system that enables the power and wealth to be controlled by the few. The few on either side do not care a whit for you and I. I have some vivid images in my brain of East Berlin that are history. The 'Showplace' of the East was grey, sullen and not cheerful. BTW I am not fighting the cold war , I won it. Not Rayguns but me and the thousands of other guys that stood in the path of the Red Army. All you had to do to see that was being around Bad Hersfeld in the Fulda Gap, FRG around October 6, 1973. When Nixxxon called his DEFCON3. But keep on razzing on. The cold war seems like a good one now. Most of our deads were from being drunk or overdosing on drug du jour, sort of like not war. Peace R

[era veteran]

86. I made it up but feel free to make it a designer phrase.

[xocet]

72. Ok...

Did those pawns allow, condone or benefit from slavery? If they stood up against the South, good on them - they should be honored. If they fought for the South - Grant, Sherman et al should have pushed them into the sea - it probably would have saved the USA from 145 years of racism, the KKK and other concentrations of morons who just cannot understand the concept of equality.

I neither support Nazis nor Confederates. I see people driving around Missouri all the time with stickers that say "It's Heritage Not Hate" - these people are ignorant or have no empathy for those who suffered under the evils of slavery. Put these people in a field under a hot sun to work, whip them a few times just for the fuck of it and return them to society after a few months when they have gained empathy.

Lastly, your use of the term "proto-commie" is interesting. What exactly is a proto-commie? Can you cite a few pages of the Communist Manifesto to help out with a definition?

A proto-commie is a person who: (place definition here).

[WheelWalker]

79. "Proto" is a brand of tool.

It might mean, "Communist Tool" ?

[xocet]

83. Thanks...

I suppose that I would have understood Snap-On-commie better.

[era veteran]

88. I made it up.

"Can you cite a few pages of the Communist Manifesto to help out with a definition? " No, see above. It is good you aren't supporting the Nazis & the Confederates, I'm with you. The pawns are dead and they would be the ones to answer your question. It probably wouldn't have " saved the USA from 145 years of racism, the KKK and etc." Yankeeland is more racist than the south. There are several midwestern states that proudly fielded regiments that served honorably in the Union Army that have bigger Klans ( Klavern? ) than any southern state. Why is that?

[RaleighNCDUer]

92. Why is that?

Because you don't need to join a club when the entire fucking state is the club.

There are racists everywhere, but only in the failed confederacy is it culturally endemic.

[era veteran]

95. What does your post mean?

It makes no sense to me, put it differently and maybe we can talk. It sounds though like you are being judgmental without reason, I have never supported racism. Through the years one of my favorite quotes is " racism is the tool that keeps them on top and us on the bottom." I will reserve the right to not be fucking nice upon an unsatisfactory answer. Have you been to Montana, Ohio, and or Michigan? Much more racist than the south because it is stealthy.

[arbusto_baboso]

To those who display confederate flags: YOU FUCKING LOST, GET OVER IT.

Oh, and also, YOU'RE FLYING THE FLAG OF TREASON AND ANTI-AMERICANISM.

[gort]

90. unfortunately

We had slavery under this flag too:



But while we're at it, let's get rid of all the Jefferson Davis Memorial Highway markers that infect our country. Sadly, Washington State had one and those markers need to be destroyed.

[dogday]

22. When you are through with that, you can start on every country

who ever had slavery and burn their flag as well... Don't forget Spain, they were in Slavery up to their necks.

It never ends unless you are the to end the hate and start the love....

[AspenRose]

24. When those countries create Tea Parties, that might be something to consider.

[dogday]

30. If you are going to do something that makes you look as

bad as them, don't let me stand in your way...

[AspenRose]

33. This seems to be, by and large, a modern Democratic problem

Worrying about appearances and what others may think, while facing down evil.

[dogday]

34. I just remember book burnings, and flag burnings and record

burnings, etc... None of those ever worked... Worked people into a frenzy is all it did...

[LanternWaste]

74. Bra burnings?

Bra burnings worked people into a frenzy?

Nah, I'll chalk it up to selectivism.

[dogday]

77. Some of the gals I remember had a blast burning said bras....

:rofl:

[RaleighNCDUer]

27. The difference being, which of those countries revel in their disgusting history?

It is NOT heritage. It is hate. Do the Germans fly the swastika flag to honor its fallen? Does Russia celebrate the hammer and sickle in the memory of those who murdered millions of their own countrymen?

You don't 'start the love' by displays of symbols of hate.

[dogday]

31. And you don't start the love by burning those symbols either... n/t

[RaleighNCDUer]

56. Actually, you do. Hatred must be confronted and cast down.

You let the persons venerating symbols of hatred know why those are symbols of hatred, and why they cannot be tolerated. Then you dispose of them like the garbage they are. If you don't, they will always stand between people.

[dogday]

60. Like when they destroyed the Dixie Chicks music?

Yes, that worked out quite well. If you want to participate in a crazy fundie ritual of burning what you don't like, then have it.

[RaleighNCDUer]

66. Oh, yeah, cuz the Chicks are a symbol of hatred recognized around the world.

Give it up.

[dogday]

68. Because to some, they were a symbol of hate and treason. I don't believe

in burning for that reason. I will not lower myself to some insane standard of showing my disqust and anger against the things I see as treason or slavery. It has to start somewhere and it has to start with someone.


I just have to hope there is a better way to end the hate.

[RaleighNCDUer]

91. You don't end the hate by ceding ground to it.

Which is not you agenda anyway - you just want to protect your traitors' flag.

[dogday]

93. Have I offended you by saying I wish to not participate in an insane

custom? Why do you insult me? I have said nothing to you to say I defend the Confederate flag, only that I don't believe in any burnings.

Please read my remarks again and understand what I am saying.

[AspenRose]

32. +1

[TK421]

25. Well, it would be good to let off some steam but if people are so passionate

about that flag to this day I wouldn't think burning them would do much good

hell...it may even strengthen their resolve

[laureloak]

26. I like the Confederate flag.

It's an important part of our history.

[Mudoria]

28. I fly mine every year on Confederate Memorial Day in NC....

[laureloak]

39. I don't fly one. It's too bad some have chosen to be offended

by it at this late date. Being offended just empowers the other side.

The Civil War is a part of history that can't be erased or redone so just honor the generation that lived through it from all points of view.

[RaleighNCDUer]

57. Honor those who killed a half-million Americans over the right to own other people?

You gotta be fucking kidding me.

[laureloak]

62. You weren't a part of it. It's history. No changing what's done.

[RaleighNCDUer]

67. There is a big difference between acknowledging an event and

honoring it.

Remembering the Holocaust is not equivalent to flying the Nazi flag, no matter how you spin it.

[laureloak]

96. The Confederate States of America was not dishonorable.

Holocaust has nothing to do with the Civil War. Evenso, that history also should be preserved. Descendents of German soldiers have nothing to be ashamed, nor do descendents of Confederate soldiers. Let's make an effort to grow up and live in the present. Leave the past to the ghosts.

[msanthrope]

63. You fly a flag of treason, in defense of slavery. Bravo. n/t

[Mudoria]

80. Like I care what you think....

[dflprincess]

84. Why not burn a cross or two on your lawn as well?

[scheming daemons]

35. The Swastika is an important part of German history too...

[Rebubula]

36. Swastika...

...is an important part of WORLD history.

It would be very nice if we could, someday, return this symbol to its previous status of life and beauty. It is a cool symbol - sadly it was bastardized by some real bastards.

[HiFructosePronSyrup]

40. I'm not the least bit surprised.

Given your posting history.

[laureloak]

42. Touched that you're so concerned about me but let's not

make this personal. This board is to air all opinions, not just support certain ones.

[HiFructosePronSyrup]

45. Just airing my opinion.

about your "opinion."

[laureloak]

49. I don't agree with your opinions but I agree that you can express

them. So give me the same courtesy.

[HiFructosePronSyrup]

53. I agree to your right to have whatever disgusting belief system you want to have.

And I'll judge you on your character accordingly.

[laureloak]

55. I'm not a whipping boy and your judgement of me means nothing.

[msanthrope]

65. No one has stopped you from expressing your support of treason

in defense of slavery.

[CBR]

44. Exactly -- everything she posts related to race, civil war is sketchy... nt

[HiFructosePronSyrup]

46. Sketchy?

that implies some degree of vagueness

[CBR]

52. True... nt

[laureloak]

47. Meaning that I don't back up YOUR point of view?

Just introducing schools of thought different from your own. But then who has the courage to examine racism from the other side?

[HiFructosePronSyrup]

48. Racists.

[xocet]

70. TKO if not KO.... n/t

[laureloak]

50. I'm not afraid of being called racist because I believe everybody

is. It's a word that has been overused and is rapidly losing it's power to generate guilt.

[Paladin]

81. It's Damn Sure Lost Its Power To Generate Guilt With You. (n/t)

[CBR]

51. oppressed southern whites... and Breitbart. nt

[Taverner]

58. Do you feel the same way about lynchings?

[Commie Pinko Dirtbag]

59. I remember another flag, coincidentally with a red background too

which is an important part of the history of another country.

Now, which was it?

[Hugabear]

87. The Nazi flag flew over Germany longer than the Confederate flag few over the South

Should Germans like the Nazi flag, since it's an important part of German history?

[proteus_lives]

43. No thanks.

Not my thing.

I have no problem with people burning flags for political reasons but this seems infantile.

[WI_DEM]

64. +1

[mitchum]

69. Can I just wipe my ass with that loser rag?

[Hugabear]

73. The Nazi flag flew over Germany longer than the Stars & Bars flew over the South

And yet you don't see too many Germans clinging to their Nazi flags, complaining about how the Nazis were simply misunderstood, do you?

[LanternWaste]

75. I may purchase one simply to burn it...

I may purchase one simply to burn it. Initially I was simply ambivalent about the whole affair, but after reading the Usual Suspects claim it is as petulant or simply misguided, I guess it can't be too far off base. :P

On a somewhat more serious note though, it does appear to speak to them in one of the few languages they understand. I've never been a serious flag waiver or flag burner, and will most likely never be one, but this sounds cute.

[political_Dem]

76. OK. You don't like to burn the flag? Piss on it instead in the name of Dixie.

Problem solved.

That "so-called" heritage includes the whoring of my people for profit, the rape of my ancestors, and their continual exploitation even to this day for the benefit of white privilege and institutional racism.

So it's not only heritage; it is a symbol of white supremacy and hate.

[UTUSN]

82. Allow me to K&R #13 n/t

[mmonk]

94. This white male southener says..........

Great Idea. I would love to see the reactions. I would like to hear the tea party weasel speech that would follow.

[NeedleCast]

97. I'm pretty much against the burning of symbols

The irony of this is that you have to guy buy a confederate flag to burn it which only increases the demand for production and lines the pockets of the people who produce them.

Besides that, it's just a little to fascist for me.