Quick Status....How do you feel about supporting Obama in the 2012 election.......

[KansasVoter]

Poll question: Quick Status....How do you feel about supporting Obama in the 2012 election.......

I know we are 18 months away but......

[Deep13]

1. Will vote for him, but that's it.

If he wants material support, he can get it from his corporate buddies.

[SammyWinstonJack]

5. I'll bet he won't any trouble with material support from his corporate buddies after his first term

Probably even more eager to give generously now. :evilgrin:

[Greyhound]

2. ..

[Ozymanithrax]

3. To me, voting is a responsibility of citizenship...n/t

[T Wolf]

4. My vote is available IF he produces a lot more between now and then that he has in the

first two years.

As for working for his re-election - the effort of past elections will not be there next time unless he drastically improves (by my criteria).

[arbusto_baboso]

6. I might support a primary opponent to try to get Obama to move left a bit....

but I'll wind up voting for him in 2012. As much as I disagree with some of his actions, the alternative is frightening.

[saigon68]

10. ACTUALLY THE ALTERNATIVE LOOKS EXCITING

BLOOD WILL FLOW IN THE STREETS AGAIN

[zipplewrath]

14. If we're predicting

No one will run against him in the primaries and I'll end up voting for him. I'm dubious he'll need my money in the general election. Truth is, one way or another I'll probably end up "working" for him since I'll be supporting some local/state candidate and it generally ends up being a "get out the vote" effort in the end. Hell, my congress critter is Grayson and I'd bet Grayson will be working hard to get re-elected.

[Skink]

21. Grayson should run. Then take over for Biden.

Then run in 2016.

[Sparkly]

47. Same here.

I'd like to support a liberal opponent at least to get a message across (if anybody's listening) that there IS a liberal base out here who are larger and more influential than the freakin' teabaggers!!!

But yeah, unless Obama were totally 100% safe, I'll vote for him.

[villager]

7. I'd really hoped that finally, we'd have a Democrat whose re-election wouldn't feel like "triage"

...an emergency step to hold off an even worse alternative...

Sadly, Obama appears to have readily joined the line of "triage" Democrats behind him, slowing, only a smidgen, the corporate boot slamming down on our necks, rather than questioning the right of that boot to do so...

[vi5]

8. If there is a liberal primary challenger....

I would vote for him. I don't think this will happen. At all. But hypothetically speaking.

If he's our nominee I'll vote for him, but won't donate a red cent or stuff one envelope or make one call or try to convince one other person to do the same.

Maybe the next 18 months will change my mind. But with the inevitable loss of seats in congress (which would happen in even the best of years so I'm under no illusions about the cause of that happening), I just can't see him deciding to lead in a more liberal direction rather than a more conservative one. All it will take is for one or two "OMG THE DEMOCRATS LOST SEATS BECAUSE THEY ARE TOO LIBERAL!!!!!!" and everyone in the administration will go running around like chickens with their heads cut off trying to figure out the best ways to punch hippies so they can get Roger Ailes to love them more.

[saracat]

9. Way too early for this.Depends on "if" he has a primary opponent, "Who " that

oppenent might be, and if Obama is the nominee. If Obama is the nominee, I will support and vote for him. Whether I would vote for him in a Primary depends on who might challange him.If someone better than Obama runs, why wouldn't I support them in the Primary? This poll is asking posters to predict a future we have no way of knowing!

[Jackpine Radical]

11. Like Saracat said.

[lib2DaBone]

12. Alan Grayson/Bernie Sanders.... in 2012

[Donnachaidh]

44. oh man -- dream team!

Yeah!

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[earcandle]

15. I would like to see a Grayson/Kucinich or Franken/Grayson or Franken/Kucinich or Feingold/Franken or

some combination of these as Pres, VP and Speaker. If they ran, I would work to arouse the people in concert with their goals.

Obama had his chance and continued the Bush policies. He does not have a right to keep that seat anymore. He betrayed the left
and kissed ass on the right. Nothing has gotten done.

No one is holding Halliburton and BP and Goldman Sachs accountable for joint intentional responsibility for the Gulf oil spill.
A hero who has told our citizens the truth about the risks involved in going to America's undeclared wars for the boots on the ground
may go to jail or god-forbid, be executed instead of being heralded, for helping the American people to know that they have been betrayed by our own government who has paid both sides to kill our men and women. People need to realize that the buck stops with Obama (because Bush and Cheney seems to have gotten away) who has chosen to pay with our blood and taxes to run covert operations in our name: a corrupt slave trade, a corrupt food system, a corrupt money laundering, a corrupt voting system,gang warfare, mercenary genocides in 137 countries, and conspire to plot against the American people as soon as we (if we, but I think we are smarter than this) collapse with a mercenary army of foreigners we trained with our own money to blow us and our freedom off the fucking map.

America does not live this fantasy. America's wealth lives in this fantasy. We run the infrastructure. What are we going to do about it? Our labor, our intelligence, our spirit is key.

Daddy Auction

Vote with your heart and spirit, not your purse. The purse will turn out. We have a lot of work to do.

[earcandle]

16. Sanders would work too! There are a few good Democrats we can count on if they would run.

[MiniMe]

25. Sanders isn't a Democrat

I love him to death, and he would be a great President, but I don't think he could get elected across the country.

[earcandle]

30. Thanks, right. He is a Socialist or something, right? What is the name of his party?

[MiniMe]

35. I think he is a democratic socialist, or something like that

[KansasVoter]

18. I 100% agree with your selections!

[Autumn]

19. He has time to earn my vote, if

he wants it.

[Radical Activist]

20. Why are the poll responses so different than the comments in reply?

The poll overwhelmingly favors enthusiasm for Obama. Yet, the responses are just the opposite.

This says something about DU. I see people whine about being "silenced" when they criticize Obama, but this thread makes it pretty clear who feels shouted down and silenced around here. It's no wonder people are timid since any support for Obama on DU lately attracts a swarm of nasty, knee-jerk replies.

[LostInAnomie]

24. Exactly.

[Turborama]

27. It's weird that the unrecs outweigh the recs, too.

If the votes went the same way as the recs they would be in the positive, as it stands, I just tried to rec and it stayed at zero.

[DevonRex]

31. You hit the nail on the head.

And who uses intimidation around here to silence whom.

[Bobbie Jo]

34. +1000

"...attracts a swarm of nasty, knee-jerk replies."

That about sums it up.

[Beetwasher]

37. Yup, You Got It

[superduperfarleft]

45. You can be banned for what you choose in a poll.

That's why I don't vote in polls if my answer could be controversial. Of course, it's the admin's prerogative to do it that way, but maybe people are rightfully a little gunshy about giving an honest opinion.

[Radical Activist]

54. I've only seen that

once when it was an extremely bigoted poll question. It's obvious that disliking Obama doesn't get someone banned at DU.

[girl gone mad]

59. The one who was banned wasn't a bigot.

They gave a valid reason for voting as they did.


It's definitely intimidating to know you could be banned for voting the "wrong way" in a poll such as this one.

[Maru Kitteh]

22. I will work harder than I did the first time around.

[Tesha]

39. You'll need to. He's driven off many of the traditional Democratic activist groups. (NT)

[Gman]

23. I have no problem with supporting a challenger in the primary

That's where you fight out your disagreements within the party. But I think the question is about the 2012 (general) election. Obama most assuredly will win very handily every single state's primary. So who will the supporters of challengers in the primary support in November? That's what I want to know.

[hfojvt]

26. How about the fact

that Obama is 95% certain to lose Kansas again anyway, no matter what I do?

[KansasVoter]

28. You are being optimistic!! :-) That is why I worked in Missouri!

[proud2BlibKansan]

50. We'll never win Kansas as long as folks do that

The state party needs our support. And the only way we can turn Kansas blue is by working at it and not leaving the state to work in elections.

[proud2BlibKansan]

49. I hear you on that one!

LOL

[FirstLight]

29. I'm not there yet...

but i am getting really jaded and thinking that it makes NO difference WHO is in office, we are proles and will be herded by our corporate masters no matter what...

the whole whitewash of the gulf disaster is really making me lose faith
and despite the jobs that are waiting to be created, we are certainly NOT building the infrastructure he spoke of in the election.

I hate to be dissapointed like this, i really wanted to think we were going to see way more positive change. And as much as I know we are trying to reconcile the mess that BushCo left us with, I KNOW more could be done. I really wanted him to go in there being more of a rabble rouser and just FIX it, to hell with what people think, to hell with being nice or 'bipartisan' i hope to god he realizes that we ARE at war already here on our own soil...the haves/havenots and the races and the rethugs and all the incitement on the airwaves...
Bush kept people roped in miles away from his appearances because he wouldn;t allow dissonance
why shouldn't Obama shut down the Hate radio and TV stations? same thing IMHO

ya, there's alot i would have liked him to do differently, but I am still hoping we/He can turn it around before 2012.

[Ramulux]

32. I will do

everything in my power to make sure there is not a competitive primary. Obama is the only democrat who can be elected in 2012 and if we decide to primary him we are just shooting ourselves in the foot. I would love to see Kucinich as president but its just not realistic.

[frylock]

33. third party probably

[scarletwoman]

36. I will vote for the Democratic candidate in the 2012 general election,

as I have done all my life.

I'm not interested in fantasizing about a primary election whose participants cannot be known at this time.

sw

[Individualist]

38. Tombstone bait. Unrec.

[KansasVoter]

43. What does that even mean?

[superduperfarleft]

46. See my post #45. n/t

[Turborama]

55. See reply #54

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=389&topic_id=8871218&mesg_id=8875392

[geek tragedy]

58. Most of DU thinks he's as bad as Bush so it's absurd to think they're

going to ban people because they won't vote for Obama.

[aikoaiko]

40. I'm OK with that.

[Angry Dragon]

41. Why don't we see where we are in two years and then decide who

to support??

[Blue_In_AK]

42. Ask me in two years. n/t

[Steely_Dan]

48. I Will Vote Dem - Regardless. n/t

[proud2BlibKansan]

51. He needs to change his education policies to earn my support

I will probably do the same thing I did in 08, and that's focusing my efforts on local and state races.

[blaze]

52. The only Dem that can win in 2012

Wish I could find the references.... but Thom Hartmann quoted some statistics on his show... basically said that only the incumbent Dem could beat a Repub challenger.

And... the opportunity for new Supreme Court appointees will definitely fall to this President.

We HAVE to have a Dem in office. The Supreme Court holds too much power. I mean.... Citizens United was basically pulled out of a hat by this RW court.

Too much at stake to not support Obama.

[depakid]

53. There's a reason why the Dems kept their ridiculous superdelegates....

[JDPriestly]

56. I will vote for Obama, but torture is a terrible crime,

and I cannot go out and talk voters into voting for a man whose administration does not have the courage to prosecute the major crime of torture just because those who perpetrated the crime are influential, wealthy politicians.

That would require me to go against my conscience. And trust me, I am good at talking to voters. Obama is going to miss me, but he has not carried through on the basic moral obligations that his position imposes on him.

[quinnox]

57. I might have to vote Green

It all depends if Obama can pick up his game in a major way between now and then, if I see real improvement then he has my vote.

[bvar22]

60. I would prefer a Democrat,

but if Obama is all there is,
I will vote for the lesser evil.

[NJmaverick]

61. K&R

[mmonk]

62. Right now, I'm going to concentrate on upcoming congressional elections.

We have two more years of events in our history before his re-election time.

[wordpix]

63. I'll support Obama but if someone more progressive challenges him in the primaries

I would support that person. It depends on who he/she is. Some people I'd support over Obama:

Russ Feinstein (not likely to challenge)
Bernie Sanders " "
Al Gore " "

[rucky]

64. In all these threads...

Why isn't a clear distinction made between support in the primary and support in the general election?

It's a huge difference, but we act like there's no difference at all.