i guess it is a 'mosque'

[spanone]

this is all i've heard all day..the mosque...the mosque....

NPR called it 'a community center and a mosque'

dylan ratigan...mosque...mosque....mosque


teevee loves controversy even if they have to help contrive it

[DrDan]

1. flip over to Judge Judy . . .

[spanone]

4. did she call it a mosque too?

[DrDan]

5. hmmmm - not sure . . . . I have been listening to the mosque discussions

[aquart]

2. Yeah, it's a mosque and of course they have the right to build it there.

Just as Newt Gingrich had the right to divorce his wife and the right to tell her he was divorcing her in her hospital room while she was recovering from cancer.

Sometime right isn't as important as choosing the time and place. This is the wrong time in the wrong place.

[spanone]

3. what is a good time and place? new york just decided. the mayor agreed.

[aquart]

10. That's nice.

We're damned good people. And they get to be triumphant and shameless.

Just like the Democrats rolling over for the Republicans. This isn't a triumph of freedom of religion. This is a triumph of spit in your face arrogance.

Now they get to make use of property that was a going business until the dust of the dead choked the streets and cut off the economy of the area. Don't tell me they aren't building on a grave. They are.

[spanone]

13. i'm sorry you are so bitter. there are fanatics in every religion.

[uppityperson]

19. Should anyone be able to build anything in the area? serious question.

"Don't tell me they aren't building on a grave. They are."

Are you saying that there should be no rebuilding on anyplace that used to have a business before 9/11 but doesn't now? You must be.

[Electric Monk]

20. On this one, you're either with the bigots or you're against them.

You've been quite clear which side you're on, again.

http://religion.blogs.cnn.com/2010/07/30/anti-defamation-leagues-opposition-to-ground-zero-mosque-sparks-debate/

[leftofcool]

23. But they own the property and have for 30 years

[NYC Liberal]

28. You support banning YMCAs near the sites of Christian terrorist attacks?

Right?

[uppityperson]

29. I think that needs rephrasing. Do you support banning YMCA'a near the sites

of terror attacks by Christians? Slight difference.

[NYC Liberal]

30. Which part? "Christian terrorist attacks" = "terror attacks by Christians"

Or maybe I'm just tired...:freak:

[uppityperson]

32. I see a difference between Chistian Terror Attack and terror attack by Christians.

I also see a difference between Muslim terror attack and terror attack by Muslims. The first is an attack by the religion, the second by people of a religion.

[NYC Liberal]

35. Ah, sorry, yes I see what you mean.

But I think the former would indicate an attack that was actually motivated by the religion, and the latter would indicate an attack that happened to be done by a Christian for whatever reason.

[Hugabear]

39. Oh give me a fucking break...

By your rationale, ANY business or group that were to build in this exact spot would be "building on a grave". I suppose you find it acceptable for someone to "build on a grave" in order to sell widgets or put in a couple of offices, but NOT okay for a peaceful religious group to erect a community center.

[LanternWaste]

41. it's the proximity that offends your sensibilities?

"Don't tell me they aren't building on a grave. They are..."

I was under the impression that the community center is being built a few blocks away from the actual impact site, so may I infer correctly that it's the proximity that offends your sensibilities?

If so, what is the precise distance that the community center center should be built from the impact site? On what objective basis is that founded on?

Is this confined only to a Muslim-oriented community center, or would it be offensive if any religious/philosophical-oriented community center tried the same thing? Or any business at all?

What a few may see as shameless, many others may just as validly perceive as building stronger bridges.

[DefenseLawyer]

6. It's only the wrong time and place if you are a bigot.

Or do you blame all muslims for 9/11? If you are "offended" by a mosque, you are the one that is fucked up, not them.

[aquart]

11. So let's build a synagogue in Gaza.

And a Mormon temple on the site of the Mountain Meadows massacre.

And yes, I am offended by that mosque and I won't pretend not to be.

[superduperfarleft]

14. Re: the synagogue in Gaza

In that situation, the residents of Gaza feel that the aggressors are all Jews and the victims are all Palestinians (regardless of the ancillary debate about who is considered the aggressor and who is the victim). In NYC, the victims of 9/11 were of all nationalities and religions, including Islam.

And as for the Mormon temple....http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mountain_Meadows_massacre#Remembrances

Are you also offended for the muslim victims of 9/11?

[DefenseLawyer]

15. All Christians are pedophiles.

Some of you have even been prosecuted. I've seen it in the news. Young boys, cover-ups, payouts... nasty business. I'm offended that you are all allowed to freely practice your sick, twisted ways out in the open right under our noses.

[jberryhill]

18. Or let the Catholic Church run an orphanage

Why do you THINK Catholics want all of those kids?

[uppityperson]

21. Are you at war with Islam? The answer seems obvious.

[Hugabear]

38. You would only be offended if you believe that ALL Muslims are terrorists

The group behind this community center (it is NOT a mosque) are not terrorists. They aren't connected to Al Qaeda or any other group. The only reason for anyone to be opposed to having this community center would be if you lump ALL Muslims into the same group, if you think they're somehow all the same.

Do you?

Can you give me one rational, non-bigoted reason why this community center should NOT be allowed?

[backscatter712]

42. The fact you're offended shows you're a bigoted asshole.

Your taking of offense offends me.

[xchrom]

9. Oy - that was weak. Nt

[LostinVA]

12. Except it isn't a mosque

[closeupready]

17. I think it is the right place and the right time.

We need more dialogue between faiths, believers, non-believers - all channels of communication that lead to constructive dialogue are always welcome and good.

[leftofcool]

22. They own the property and have owned for about 30 years

[uppityperson]

26. They already owned the property, so when is the "right time/right place"?

seriously.

[donco6]

34. Yeah, it's just like Newt divorcing his wife.

:eyes:

[marmar]

7. "teevee loves controversy even if they have to help contrive it"

Yep. They'll create a meme, not matter how dubious, and keep running with it. The contemporary American media is rock-bottom.

[AlabamaLibrul]

16. Some of the posters on DU aren't doing much better with it. (eom)

[truebrit71]

8. In the sense that every hospital that has a chapel is actually a church they are right..

...:sarcasm:

[JonLP24]

24. To me it doesn't matter either way

It isn't like only Christians were killed that day. Plus even if it was I wouldn't connect a group of criminals to the rest of the 1 billion+ Islam followers who the vast majority condemn every attack after it happens.

[tuvor]

25. Can someone please explain what the problem would be if it actually *were* a mosque?

I know why the right-wing nuts would think it's a problem, but they have a tendency to create problems that aren't really there.

[Hugabear]

40. It would not be a problem at all

Except for the froth-mouthed bigots on the far right, and apparently a few froth-mouthed bigots here on DU.

[LynneSin]

27. And they are building it at the exact spot there the plane hit the buildling too....

:eyes:

[spanone]

31. it's two blocks from ground zero

[uppityperson]

33. it seems to have been sarcasm, hence the eye rolly guy

[spanone]

36. oops, sometimes i miss it...thanks

:hi:

[uppityperson]

37. Somedays you can't tell. I've taken to using the sarcasm icon again

just in case people mistake me for one of "them".