Is Clinton really to blame for everything?

[Renew Deal]

I know that's overly broad. I just saw something interesting in Food Inc. They said that NAFTA opened the American corn market to Mexico thus unemploying 1.5 million Mexican farmers. Guess where those farmers went? Here. So even when we benefit from NAFTA we don't.

[Motown_Johnny]

1. not everything, just everything NAFTA related

[DJ13]

7. .... and repealing Glass/Steagall, and China in the WTO, and

......Im sure theres more.

[sendero]

19. Not just NAFTA....

... opening the trade floodgates with China, welfare "reform", all kinds of regulatory malfeasance.

Clinton is/was a douche.

[roguevalley]

22. and don't forget my dog's arthritis! Actually, he is the blame for

a bunch of stuff that precipitated our long national decline. And he is responsible for a lot of good stuff. I am not blind to what my leaders do. May he find hell for Nafta.

[Rabrrrrrr]

2. Except for the stuff that's Carter's or Obama's fault.

Though i will agree with you partly - NAFTA was a great big poke in the ass to America, and is gonna cost us for quiet a while.

[Taverner]

3. Year of the CLENIS!!!!!!

Be afraid, very afraid!!!

[madinmaryland]

10. The ALMIGHTY CLENIS lives on!!1!!

:woohoo:

[Renew Deal]

12. I'm happy to see you back.

:pals:

[marmar]

4. NAFTA, viewed historically, will turn out to be one of the most epic mistakes in American history.

nt

[lib2DaBone]

5. Clinton finished off Media De-regulation that Ronnie Raygun started...

We ended up with Faux News and Clear Channel Radio and Rush Limbaugh on every radio in the world.

[BlueIdaho]

6. I understand he was behind the creation of the unrecommend feature at DU. nt.

[Oregone]

8. Clinton didn't negotiate NAFTA.

That was before his time. His action on it shows it was the establishment, consensus trade position


Obama claims he will renegotiate or opt out of it, FYI. Will he? Who knows.

[Elwood P Dowd]

11. Reagan first mentioned it, and then Carla Hills and the Bush I crowd

did the negotiations and signed the agreement in 1992. Clinton inherited the implementing legislation in 1993. Sadly, he abandoned us and pushed it through Congress.

[Oregone]

13. With that said, the Clinton/Gore administration was quite publicly favorable to it

[ProSense]

17. You're defending Clinton on NAFTA while criticizing Obama?

This is the second time I've come across this phenomenon. The other maintains that at least Clinton is sorry for DOMA.

[Oregone]

18. Im stating two facts

1. Clinton did not negotiate NAFTA (that happened under http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/North_American_Free_Trade_Agreement">Bush/Mulroney/Salinas). Clinton did finalize it (put in measures to make it pass muster in Congress) and supported it publicly

2. Obama claimed he will http://www.cfr.org/publication/15604/democratic_debate_transcript_cleveland_ohio.html">renegotiate NAFTA or opt out of it

Neither of those equate to defending or criticizing either one of them.

[WinkyDink]

9. Clinton? Ancient history, Pops!

[existentialist]

14. of course not

I can criticize Clinton for a lot of things, including substantive actions like NAFTA and--I'll let other posters fill in details here--and I can criticize him for the fact that, by failing to keep his pants zipped and then lying about it he cost the Democrats a presidency and seats in Congress.

Similarly I can criticize Obama and his administration for a lot.

But, compared with Reagen, Bush I, and definitely and God help us Bush II, and definitely and God helps us John McCain, either Clinton or Obama is a shining example of everything wonderful by comparison. The by comparison says a lot though. I don't won't to compare.

I want to hold Obama's feet to the fire to push him to do better.

And its of somewhat limited value to weigh Clinton's faults and accomplishments.

[JanMichael]

15. The lesser of two evils is what? nt.

[eleny]

16. His position supporting NAFTA was a disaster...

For Mexican and American workers who lost their industries to the cheap labor markets overseas, NAFTA was a death knell to a way of life.

[IndianaGreen]

20. Clinton is to be blamed for war crimes in the Balkan war

for the genocide that is Plan Colombia, and for keeping the torture school known as SOA/WHINSEC.

[Bitwit1234]

21. Oh hell yes- First it was Clinton who screwed up everything

by giving us all those billions in surplus that tempted Bush to spend them and run up a deficit poor little guy. As the whole shebang skipped over Bush and then Obama finished the job. Didn't you all know that. Gee of course you did the republicans tell it over and over. Clinton had a terrible recession. Bush cleaned it up and then Obama started it again.

[ThomWV]

23. Adam was the first fuck up, Carter was next, Clinton came later, and now Obama

ask any Republican.

[Bandit]

24. Well we know for a fact that Republicans are not to blame for anything.

They have told us so and they are NEVER WRONG about anything..