The "9/11 mosque" building was rendered unusable because parts of a 9/11 plane

[dkf]

Crashed into the roof. It IS part of the 9/11 attack and it is available because of 9/11. It is not simply close to the area where the attack occurred. We do no one any favors by pretending it had nothing to do with the attack except proximity.

[AlabamaLibrul]

1. Proudly K&R'ing before the "turrorists win" crowd gets to this (eom)

[aquart]

2. Yeah, but at least I now hear they owned it when it happened.

And it was probably interesting when they put in their insurance claim.

I still say only people who don't know the area would think it wasn't part of the event.

[dkf]

5. Wikipedia says that it was bought just last year in 2009.

Kukiko Mitani, the wife of Stephen Pomerantz, who owned the building, attempted to sell it for years, at one point asking for $18 million.<25> Until its 2009 purchase, however, the building lay abandoned.<25>

Purchase and investors

In July 2009, the Muslim-run real estate company Soho Properties purchased the building and property, for $4.85 million in cash.<31><32><33><34><35> The company's Chairman and chief executive officer is real estate developer Sharif El-Gamal.<31><36><33>

http://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cordoba_House?wasRedirected=true

[AlabamaLibrul]

7. Did you even read the topic?

"I still say only people who don't know the area would think it wasn't part of the event."

The "9/11 mosque" building was rendered unusable because parts of a 9/11 plane...

And your "now I hear" claims are about as credible as Fox's "some people say" BS. The source cited on Wikipedia for the site's 2009 purchase is the NYT, by the way. But I'm sure that's some sort of outsider "don't know the area" Muslim Al-Qaeda rag.

[bring_em_home_bush]

3. so there WAS a mosque there but because of 9/11 there shouldn't be one there anymore?

Or is "Ground Zero" only "sacred ground" now to anyone who isn't a Muslim?

Or what?

[pnorman]

4. That building was owned by a Muslim group/society BEFORE 9-11?

Is there a source for that?

[dkf]

6. That was wrong info.

http://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cordoba_House?wasRedirected=true


During the September 11 attacks, the then-five-story building leased to the Burlington Coat Factory was severely damaged.<8><25><26> The building is located two blocks (less than 600 feet (180 metres)) north of the former World Trade Center site.<8><25><27>

Part of the landing gear and fuselage of one of the hijacked planes, which were used to destroy the World Trade Center Twin Towers in the attacks, crashed through the building's roof and through two of its floors, destroying three floor beams.<15><21><6><25><28><29> Investigators said the plane parts were either from American Airlines Flight 11, after it crashed into the North Tower at 8:46 a.m., or United Airlines Flight 175, after it crashed into the South Tower at 9:03 a.m.<15><21><6><25><30>

Kukiko Mitani, the wife of Stephen Pomerantz, who owned the building, attempted to sell it for years, at one point asking for $18 million.<25> Until its 2009 purchase, however, the building lay abandoned.<25>

Purchase and investors

[JI7]

8. much of America's greatness is because of injustic to natives, black slavery etc

i don't see your point.

the people who are opposed to this are claiming the cordoba center is being built as a way to claim "victory" or some other stupid shit.

it's like accusing someone who wants something catholic of supporting sexual abuse because of the scandals associated with it.

you also put every muslim into the same group. and think every muslim is responsibel for something done by another.

[dkf]

10. I'm just trying to straighten out misleading statements that I have been reading and hearing.

The Burlington coat factory building was attacked on 9/11. If it had been after 10am when they opened the doors there would have been victims in the building also. But the staff was in the basement so they didn't die.

[uppityperson]

31. "The Burlington coat factory building was attacked on 9/11"? Send this to 9/11 forum

seriously, 9/11 forum is ripe for this.

[blondeatlast]

38. WTF are the odds? A clothing retailer that wasn't open at 9AM?

Why, they very thought!

I'm sooo convinced now. :eyes:

[ingac70]

9. So? They bought the damn thing.

That is how Capitalism works, and the people who holler loudest about the wonders of Capitalism, while bitching about the intentions of the people who forked over the cash for this building, need to STFU.

[dkf]

11. They also caught a fire sale price because Bin Laden damaged it so severely.

If there had been a functioning building with a functioning business leasing the place I doubt it would have gone so cheap. Funny how life works.

[ingac70]

16. This same crap is going on in TN....

and you sound just like those vile rednecks trying to stop the Islamic center down here.

http://www.examiner.com/x-15870-Populist-Examiner~y2010m7d29-Tennessee-Lieutenant-Governor-says-religious-freedoms-may-not-apply-to-Muslims>Tennessee Lieutenant Governor says religious freedoms may not apply to Muslims

[JI7]

18. yeah, i know someone who bought some shitty ass house really cheap

the place was fucked up. so he got it really cheap.

if the place wasn't so fucked up and in good condition i doubt he would have been able to get it for as low as he did.

the same thing with a car. my friend got this really messed up car really cheap. if it wasn't so messed up and worked better i don't think she would have been able to get it for such a low price.

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[JI7]

13. i'm and atheist but it makes no difference if this was Christian, JEwish or Muslim Center to me

if it is ok if Christians JEws and others can do it it should be ok for Muslims.

[ingac70]

15. I am for free exercise of religion

and they bought the building. I will not stand for redneck bigotry of any kind, no matter who puts what where.

Trash such as this is already harassing Muslims about a center they are building here in Tennessee, so the building in NYC isn't the only place.

[bring_em_home_bush]

17. wow -- yes, that's exactly how one billion people across the world practice Islam

All of them, every single one. We are taking steps backwards, all right. It's really rather astounding to watch.

[sinkingfeeling]

21. Where the hell do you live? Have you ever met a Muslim? I would disagree with you,

the most un-progressive major religion may well be Christian. You're perfectly OK to stereotype all Muslims for a small faction's actions. Then you should also condemn all christians for the acts of people like Fred Phelps or the some Catholic priests or AFA.

[Guy Whitey Corngood]

22. The enemy of my enemy is not my friend but

you're still a fucking moron.

[NeedleCast]

28. So all Muslims are fundamentalists?

That's one of the most bigoted things I've ever seen.

[uppityperson]

32. alert for extreme bigotry

"Does that mean the whole polygamist, burka-forcing, apostate-killing, adulteress-stoning, homosexual-hanging, female-non-educating -- and-God-forbid-you-want-to-be-single/and/or/childless -- religion is somehow a a good thing?"

[NYC Liberal]

14. It's not a fucking mosque, and the area is NOT a shrine.

Anyone who has a problem with this should come out and say what they really think: that they think those evil Muslims are scary and only white Christians should be allowed to exercise their rights.

You know what will be built at the World Trade Center site? Office buildings, just like the ones that were there before.

Having a small area with a memorial where people can go to reflect and honor those killed is appropriate. Declaring whole sections of our City to be sacred and "rights-free" zones because some people don't like the sight of brown people is NOT okay.

[Dorian Gray]

19. +1

[Spazito]

24. +1

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[Spazito]

33. Wow, your thread on this was locked and rightly so...

so you just had to continue with this garbage here. Ugh.

[Tommy_Carcetti]

20. All of Lower Manhattan was enveloped in a dust cloud from the debris.

The argument that that one particular building should be deemed historic by virtue of the 9-11 attacks is just a pretty obvious cover for the bigots and xenophobes.

[snooper2]

23. That's impossible, everyone knows the planes on 9/11 were CGI

:P

[MyNameGoesHere]

25. I am glad there are so many scared little Americans.

I have mosques all around me and I just can't do the little American shit in my pants fear thing. Such a little, small and insignificant country. Hardly a country worth any status in the world anymore.

[NeedleCast]

29. Says Something, Doesn't It?

Having had the luxary to live in a few other countries, I'm often amazed - but not surprised - by America's capacity to be afriad of just about everything.

Especially if the media tells them to be afraid of it.

[sinkingfeeling]

26. So? Should all of the damaged buildings in OKC have been included in the Memorial

there? If so, there would be no downtown Oklahoma City, since the damage extended for 48 square blocks.

[LostinVA]

27. How is an Islamic Community Center the "9/11 Mosque"?

Does your back hurt from all that stretching?

[applegrove]

34. I saw a documentary after 9/11 where they followed two people dressed as muslims

as they walked around ground zero. New Yorkers kept walking up to them and were saying "are you okay? are people leaving you alone?". I cried and cried cause the only real answer to any of this is to love your neighbour.

:cry: :cry: :cry: :cry: :cry: :cry: :cry: :cry: :cry:

[mmonk]

35. We get it. New York Muslims should not have this and nor should

the property owners due to their collective guilt for the attack on their city. People who attack their own city by virtue of their birth into Muslim families should forever share in the guilt and never be considered fellow Americans but as enemies. It is ground zero absolutely.



:sarcasm: tag for the intellectually challenged.

[roxiejules]

36. Look at this photo and decide for yourself if it is close...

to Ground Zero.

Click on photo titled "Ground Zero" shown on right margin to enlarge. Cordoba House is circled in red.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cordoba_House

[uppityperson]

37. Islam hates coats!