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mike r Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-04-10 02:03 PM
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AP: Gunman's girlfriend heard manager say company was going to "get rid of this dumb n"
http://www.google.com/hostednews/ap/article/ALeqM5jBNP73m9cp2g6qFtWxCbJH6IAD3gD9HCQP5O0

Police: Gunman at beer warehouse targeted managers
By STEPHEN SINGER and JOHN CHRISTOFFERSEN (AP) – 33 minutes ago

MANCHESTER, Conn. — The warehouse driver who fatally shot eight co-workers at a beer distributorship before killing himself apparently targeted managers who had hired a private detective to tail him and forced him to resign because he stole beer from work, police said Wednesday... The first people shot were managers or executives involved in Thornton's firing... Thornton also passed by at least two people and did not shoot them, including one woman in a wheelchair.

Finally, Thornton called his mother to say goodbye, said his uncle. Thornton, who is black, had complained of racial harassment for months to family and friends. He indicated he did target people — but because they had harassed him. "I shot the racists that was bothering me," he told his mother... The company had hired a private investigator to follow Thornton outside of work after becoming suspicious that he was stealing alcohol. The amount of alcohol Thornton allegedly took wasn't clear.

Among the people shot were several in positions of responsibility at Hartford Distributors: Steve Hollander, 50, a member of the family that owns the company. Hollander was shot twice but survived. The dead also included Bryan Cirigliano, 51, president of Teamsters 1035, who had been Thornton's representative at the hearing.

Kristi Hannah, 26, Thornton's girlfriend of eight years, said he had told her months ago that he was racially harassed, and he showed her photos he took with his cell phone of a drawing on a bathroom wall of a stick figure with a noose around the neck and a racial slur and another with his name on it and that the writer hated black people. One day, she said, he called her from a bathroom stall, then held up his phone and she could hear a company official, apparently unaware Thornton was in a stall, tell someone else that the company was going to "get rid of this dumb n-----."...

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"A few weeks ago he told me that the company wanted to get rid of him," she said. "They were looking for a way to get him out of the company and paint him as a problem. That they were going to pin something on him and get him out of the company." Thornton, she said, the pushed to edge by the bigots jealous of his success who wanted to take him down a few pegs. She said she crafted a letter for him to the Budweiser company - a letter he signed - in which he detailed the racist abuse.

"He heard people say he got promoted because he was a n-----," she said. "That's when on the bathroom wall he saw a noose and the words "Kill all n-----s." The taunts escalated to on-the-job sabotage, she claimed. "Sometimes his coworkers would pack the trucks the wrong way just to give him extra work," she said. "He was one of only two black guys in the whole company and they were both treated as outcasts. As misfits."

Hannah said that Thornton's union rep - who she claims was a cousin of the company owner - didn't support him...


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joeybee12 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-04-10 02:06 PM
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1. I call bullshit...
...and even if these incidents are true, yeah, killing 8 people is justified...
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JuniperLea Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-04-10 02:09 PM
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3. I agree...
If true, it should have been reported when it happened. Ridiculous to wait. I call fertilizer.
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HipChick Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-04-10 02:42 PM
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11. Report it to who? HR departments at corporations work to protect the company
not the individual..
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HipChick Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-04-10 02:43 PM
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13. Institutional racism is hard to proof..
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LostinVA Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-04-10 02:59 PM
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16. His Union rep
The man he murdered yesterday
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JuniperLea Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-04-10 03:42 PM
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23. The states run labor law...
I'd report it to the company, with a friendly witness, and go to the state employment department.
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LostinVA Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-04-10 02:59 PM
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15. Me too -- 100%
I thought it didn't sound right, and now I'm sure of it.
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SoCalDem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-04-10 02:09 PM
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2. "...complained of racial harassment for months to family and friends..."
If this were true, it's too bad no one suggested he go beyond family & friends who had no power to address the situation.

But if he's on video, stealing, it's not hard to see why he was fired or forced to resign. There was a union rep there too.

It's quite possible that he was distraught at losing a union job and was worried about the theft video preventing him from getting another good job, and he just went nuts..

It's also not hard to see that his family & friends would want to believe the best about him and not be ready to accept what he did.:(

sad all 'round:(
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Common Sense Party Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-04-10 02:13 PM
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5. In another story, the union rep said the guy had NEVER mentioned
racism or bad treatment
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SoCalDem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-04-10 02:39 PM
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10. Exactly.. This is a way for his family to cope, but they are making it worse
:(
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LostinVA Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-04-10 03:00 PM
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19. I agree
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LostinVA Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-04-10 03:00 PM
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17. Exactly -- and no one has ever complained to State of Feds
About the business, either.
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scheming daemons Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-04-10 02:11 PM
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4. NOTHING excuses killing 8 people. Nothing.

He could have handled it through the legal system. Or he could have at least tried.


Shooting people that are mean to us is what teabaggers do.
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Parker CA Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-04-10 02:29 PM
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9. Ding ding ding. No excuse for gunning down people.
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MrScorpio Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-04-10 02:18 PM
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6. People who snap while armed is the American way
Looks like it crossed racial barriers this time.
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Cirque du So-What Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-04-10 02:23 PM
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7. Come to think of it...
this is the first instance I'm aware of where an African American went on a workplace-related killing spree. We're all about equal opportunity in this country :eyes:
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MrScorpio Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-04-10 02:25 PM
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8. We've all come a long way nt
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malaise Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-04-10 02:43 PM
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12. Not the first but it is rare n/t
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Liquorice Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-04-10 05:47 PM
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28. It's in line with population percentage. 17% of workplace shooters are AA. nt
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onenote Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-04-10 02:56 PM
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14. not remotely the first
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Cirque du So-What Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-04-10 03:10 PM
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20. Bully for you!
You win a kewpie doll for bringing on teh snotty! Did I not clearly state that I was going on MY OWN FUCKING RECOLLECTION?!? Jeez-o-PETE!
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onenote Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-04-10 03:34 PM
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22. awfully thin skinned. my comment was not intended as a criticism of you personally
Edited on Wed Aug-04-10 03:34 PM by onenote
although you seem to have taken it as one.
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Cirque du So-What Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-04-10 05:19 PM
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25. 'took me ten seconds to find this...'
uttered in the most incredibly whiny voice imaginable. Nyah!
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onenote Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-04-10 10:56 PM
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29. Too funny! I never met anyone who could "hear" internet posts
Edited on Wed Aug-04-10 10:56 PM by onenote
again, sorry you took it as personal. It was merely a statement of fact as to how quickly I was able to find an example
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WI_DEM Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-04-10 03:00 PM
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18. So she says. Bottom line is that he was caught stealing and they offered him the chance to resign
rather than fire him and he goes "postal." I don't care if he was black, white, brown, orange, purple or what.
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SammyWinstonJack Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-04-10 05:25 PM
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26. +1
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unblock Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-04-10 03:24 PM
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21. it's entirely possible that he was a thief AND the others were racist
these are not mutually exclusive. getting a theft on video is pretty damning, and companies don't often make that claim unless they can produce an actual video. what we don't know is how much was stolen, and if there was discrimination going on there. e.g., was it typical for employees to take a 6-pack home with them on friday night, but they only threw the book at this one guy? are we talking about the moral equivalent of getting fired for taking home office supplies? or are we talking about stealing entire truckloads?

on the other hand, the accusations of racism seem entirely plausible, and perhaps they wouldn't have put a tail on him had it not been for his race. we don't have video of any of this, but i won't dismiss it either.

but there's no excuse for bad behavior. no excuse for racism, and certainly no excuse for resolving employment disputes with bullets.
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izzybeans Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-04-10 04:02 PM
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24. I used to work at a beer distributor and they had something called the "chip" room.
Edited on Wed Aug-04-10 04:10 PM by izzybeans
It was the place were loose bottles and cans were taken by sales staff and some drivers to replace damaged packages in the stores. Sales staff routinely took "samples" from the chip room (always on Fridays). Management was very selective as to whom they punished for "stealing" versus "sampling".

I've seen someone fired for "stealing" by a manager who had "sampled" the very same product in the exact same way.

Their story is at least plausible, not justifiable, but plausible.

Then again historically, new distributors have been started through massive theft of repackaged damaged goods by some enterprising drivers. And of course, who wouldn't expect some "sippin" beer to be stolen from the warehouse. So him being a thief is also plausible.

The beer industry is notorious for sexism and racism. So I'm having a hard time discounting the families stories out of hand.

No one deserves being shot and no one deserves to be harassed.

My uncle was fired from a job for "stealing" as a retail manager because he witnessed a hit and run outside his store and he took the soda he had in his hand outside while he waited with the victims on the curb. He has chronic heart disease and a host of other illnesses. Guess what happened when corporate reviewed the security tapes despite the fact that he payed for the soda after the cops came (also on the tape)? Now my Uncle is a thief.
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Liquorice Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-04-10 05:32 PM
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27. I think it's awful the way the murderer's family is blaming the victims
for this nightmare. They should be offering their sympathy and expressing their sorrow to the victim's families, not calling the murder victims racists. I've seen a couple of the victim's family members giving interviews today trying to defend their murdered loved ones against charges of racism made by the murderer's family. It was just heartbreaking to see them go through that on top of the devastating loss.
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