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whyverne Donating Member (734 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-06-10 05:08 PM
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Where the hell do you think the jobs will come from?
What is this, a Beckett play? Everyone is going to sit around waiting for the jobs to come back? Is the magic of the free market going to wave it's magic wand? Why can't I find anyone talking sensibly about jobs?

This person wants to cut government spending. That costs jobs. This guy is growing his own food, that costs jobs. That woman cut out cable TV, that costs jobs. Everybody is saving more, that costs jobs. How the hell are we going to have austerity and job creation at the same time?

We've been told for the last decade that 70% of the American economy was stuff that nobody really needed. In this recession, I'm surprised that unemployment is only 10%. I wouldn't be surprised if that gets worse.

You can't create jobs without a market.

The government has to create jobs.
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MercutioATC Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-06-10 05:12 PM
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1. Agreed. Real infrastructure spending comes to mind.
We have something like $1.3 trillion in needed infrastructure repairs over the next 5 years. As long as we need the jobs created, we can make the most of it and rebuild some bridges and roads.
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FiveGoodMen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-06-10 05:13 PM
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2. "The government has to create jobs"
And it has to do something about outsourcing.

No, I mean something to prevent outsourcing!
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GSLevel9 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-06-10 05:51 PM
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14. great start... nt
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Skittles Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-06-10 05:13 PM
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3. they don't give a fuck about the middle class
and do you REALLY think the unemployment rate is "only 10%" ?
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montanacowboy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-06-10 05:14 PM
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4. If you believe unemployment is 10%
I have a bridge in Brooklyn....

It's more like 20%, and might even be higher. The people who have stopped looking for jobs are not counted and all the underemployed are not counted.

In our county in Montana there is 18%unemployment
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truedelphi Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-06-10 05:31 PM
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8. Thank you for adding some reality to the matter.
Edited on Fri Aug-06-10 05:38 PM by truedelphi
My county has at lest seventeen percent unemployment.

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HCE SuiGeneris Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-06-10 05:58 PM
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15. Was going to say the same thing.
10 % is a totally fabricated number.
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Jim Sagle Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-06-10 05:15 PM
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5. It's not our government, and it can do anything it damn well feels like.
Edited on Fri Aug-06-10 05:16 PM by Jim Sagle
If it wants to starve us out so the rich will have fewer proles to share with, it can do that. And it does look as if that's where we're headed.
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Newest Reality Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-06-10 05:15 PM
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6. All we have and that they need
is to allow the impression that jobs will come from somewhere, someday, somehow.

That's how you keep dragging this process out while capitalizing on it to a maximum, (corporate profits soaring) and keeping the livestock in media darkness about the facts and the state of things as they are.

This is deep, permanent and lifestyle changing. Telling people this outright and truthfully would effect sudden results that would probably fall into a wide spectrum from chaos to new adaptations and alliances. Those changes would certainly be hostile to the iron fist of the corporate monoculture Status Quo with all its bought-and-paid-for political machinations and media magic.
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fishbulb703 Donating Member (492 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-06-10 05:30 PM
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7. the government, can not create money (read: value), nt
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GSLevel9 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-06-10 05:36 PM
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9. silly.
the government CAN'T CREATE JOBS.

the gov't can only establish a climate where BUSINESSES, small to large will HIRE people to do a job to make the BUSINESS more MONEY.
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Arctic Dave Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-06-10 05:45 PM
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12. Silly, demand creates business.
If businesses could create demand, why would it ever stop doing that? People create demand by having purchasing power. Back and forth and back and forth.

Symbiotic relationship at its finest.
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GSLevel9 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-06-10 05:51 PM
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13. YEAH and it's a catch-22.
corporate America and wealthy folks are SITTING on BILLIONS right now... BILLIONS that would usually be invested into new stores, new tooling, new factories...

When monster corp A builds a factory... thousands of people feel the financial impact. Good jobs, construction, mfg, etc... it's ALL a circle.
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whyverne Donating Member (734 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-06-10 06:07 PM
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17. I like people who don't use a sarcasm dilly bopper. nt
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leftstreet Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-06-10 05:37 PM
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10. Once everyone's making minimum wage, there'll be plenty of jobs
Unions are pretty much dead, and now all public/civil jobs are on the 'privatizing' block.

Give it a little time, and mix in some austerity-ness...

We're all minimum wage workers now!
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valerief Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-06-10 05:44 PM
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11. The real question is: WHICH GOVT will help us? Certainly not our own. nt
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TheKentuckian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-06-10 06:03 PM
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16. I expect there will be less and less jobs as we go forward and should be readjusting society
to prepare for that eventuality.

What we are doing is not capable of adjusting for increasing levels of modernization and productivity. Eventually the masses world wide will not be needed to sew garments, work in meat processing plants, or pick cotton and such and before we know it we won't even be able to pretend that most people have any shot at full time work.

Eventually, this whole model is going collapse even as an illusion. Watch, as soon as it is a little cheaper to operate the equipment and maintaining it is cheaper than the near slave wages in emerging markets then all of those people that were "saved" from poverty will be thrown away again and this time without the ability to raise and hunt food that sustained their forebearers.



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whyverne Donating Member (734 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-06-10 06:16 PM
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18. Yeah, the thought of 7 billion people working hard actually
scares me. Population control has to be a part.
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Stargazer99 Donating Member (943 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-06-10 06:34 PM
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21. You have the Repuclican party to thank for that
Right to Lifers.....conservatives....
A famous man once said "by their fruits you will know them"
How many human beings must experience hell in the name of "right to life"?
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ThomWV Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-06-10 06:18 PM
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19. Its titled "Waiting for Godot"
And as you know, Godot never shows up.
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mmonk Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-06-10 06:19 PM
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20. Demand.
When the economy is dead in the water, the government has to produce workers, even if temporary, for demand to kick in again.
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bergie321 Donating Member (797 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-06-10 06:40 PM
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22. If I have a kid in India,
Do they get Indian citizenship?
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Bitwit1234 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-06-10 07:02 PM
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23. This is what I keep saying. We will never have the manufacturing
jobs or most of the auto jobs back. Even the customer answering service jobs have gone overseas. I don't know where this administration can create jobs, unless the government does like Roosevelt did during the Depression. I think Obama missed the chance to use that stimulus money to create jobs rebuilding this country. He could even have created jobs in science and intel by setting up organizations to do research. Even a lot of sensitive jobs have been shipped overseas.

And look at the second time DNA has been upgraded in the UK. They were the first to use it and now they have found how to test it in four hours. We used to do those kinds of things. But our schools and colleges are just places for kids to get drunk and have fun. No body learns anymore.
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