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Me. Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-06-10 06:59 PM
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Churchill Ordered UFO Cover-Up, Archives Show
"Former British Prime Minister Winston Churchill ordered an alleged UFO incident in the 1950s be kept secret to prevent "mass panic," according to claims made public in the UK on Thursday.

According to reports, the grandson of one of Churchill's personal bodyguards, wrote to the British Ministry of Defense in 1999 hoping to learn more about the incident. His account, along with Churchill's claimed reaction, were among a new batch of files released from Britain's National Archives, though the man's
identity was not released.

The letter describes how the man's grandfather, who served with the RAF in World War II, was present when Churchill went to discuss a UFO sighting with Dwight Eisenhower. The incident involved an RAF reconnaissance plane, returning from France or Germany, that was said to have been intercepted by an unidentified metallic object near the English coastline.

As the Daily Mail reported, the letter read as follows:...cont...

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2010/08/05/churchill-ordered-ufo-cov_n_671639.html
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Me. Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-06-10 07:00 PM
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1. More
"During the discussion with Mr Churchill, a consultant (who worked in the Cumbria area during the war) dismissed any possibility that the object had been a missile, since a missile could not suddenly match its speed with a slower aircraft and then accelerate again.

He declared that the event was totally beyond any imagined capabilities of the time. Another person at the meeting raised the possibility of an unidentified flying object, at which point Mr
Churchill declared that the incident should be immediately classified for at least 50 years and its status reviewed by a future Prime Minister."

A Defense Ministry official's response from September, 1999 was also among the files. It reads: "It was generally the case that before 1967 all UFO files were destroyed after five years as there was insufficient public interest in the subject to merit their permanent retention."

According to another note found among the new files, however, such claims were taken extremely seriously by Churchill and his staff. By 1957, ministers were commissioning weekly reports on UFO sightings from a committee of intelligence experts."...cont...
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thebestsas Donating Member (23 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-06-10 10:14 PM
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4. churhill
Churhill made ufo discorery?
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Vickers Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-06-10 11:18 PM
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10. Huh?

:shrug:
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d_r Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-06-10 08:21 PM
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2. the ufo was blue
Edited on Fri Aug-06-10 08:25 PM by d_r
and shaped like a police call box.

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Me. Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-06-10 10:10 PM
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3. The Image Of Churchill & Eisenhower Discussing UFOs
is priceless
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hootinholler Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Aug-07-10 12:58 PM
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19. Made me smile n/t
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anarch Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-06-10 10:19 PM
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5. I heard that there are no such things as UFOs
and that we know everything about everything, and if you see something in the sky that nobody can explain, you're just a nut, and need to shut up. I heard that from a lot of people, so it's probably true.
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thebestsas Donating Member (23 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-06-10 10:43 PM
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6. ufo
how do you explane the AZ lights? Or all the missing people that ufos were sights on that night? Or Roswell, hun?
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anarch Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-06-10 11:02 PM
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8. the Air Force said that the Phoenix Lights were flares
would the Air Force lie to anyone?


I was actually in AZ that night, and saw the lights in the sky, and all I can say is I'm very proud of our USAF for developing flares that can fly in perfect formation like that without even making a sound, and evidently cross most of the state faster than a jet (if whatever I saw was the same as what the folks in Phoenix saw). Those were some pretty impressive flares!

PS what do you mean "missing people"? I've never heard of such a thing in connection with 3/13/97, if that's what you're talking about.

Roswell, I can't speak to...I wasn't there. But I've been assured by many reasonable people that whatever weird things we see, they are probably just ball lightning or something...or the planet Venus...or figments of our imagination.
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thebestsas Donating Member (23 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-06-10 11:14 PM
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9. ufo
Thouse lights were not flares, there a lot of ufo sighting in wiscons undometed, and yes i'm bad spling.
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anarch Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-06-10 11:26 PM
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12. of course they were not...but the USAF invested a lot of effort in telling people they were
Edited on Fri Aug-06-10 11:26 PM by anarch
Curious, isn't it?

Of course, it could have been a secret project of some kind, I suppose, even though its behavior seemed to defy a number of physical laws, but they don't usually fly secret project craft over populated areas on really clear, beautiful nights (when there's a comet in the sky, no less, that loads of people were out in their yards looking up at). Not the most secretive of ways to test seemingly unearthly technology, eh?

But I've had people tell me for years "oh come on, it was just flares," their proof being that "the Air Force said so." Some people get very angry when confronted with evidence that we humans aren't the greatest thing in all creation.
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thebestsas Donating Member (23 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-06-10 11:45 PM
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13. cia
Ok, the cia has done a lot into corering up stuff like the wikileaks and ufos and usos but at the end of the day cia are trying to cover up something. I have onley told my falimy about a ufo sighting in montana were driving back from my unckle's house to the hotle and I saw 3 lights in the sky after 10 minites we pased a bulding and the lights disspered and I told my brother about it and he said that was an airplane but it was in tringle
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thebestsas Donating Member (23 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-06-10 11:22 PM
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11. Area 51
Area 51 was moved because of Roswell, and have you heard of the alien furnle but the piloce took the grave and the ufo hunters were barbed from the looking for the grave fbi and cia are ovlouse covering up *something*
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MajorChode Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Aug-07-10 02:19 AM
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18. High quality LSD?
Just throwing that out there.
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thebestsas Donating Member (23 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Aug-07-10 06:02 PM
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22. no
the gov. does not like LSD.
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oldlib Donating Member (549 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Aug-07-10 12:11 AM
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17. I had a UFO sighting in 1950.
Edited on Sat Aug-07-10 12:13 AM by oldlib
Of course they didn't call them UFO's then. A friend and myself called the local paper and described our sighting. I have a copy, from the newspaper, on my wall. The paper described it as a "Mysterious Object in the Sky" and that two other people had witnessed the sighting and had also called the paper. I was only 17, at the time, but I knew that jet airplanes couldn't move sideways.
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Archae Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-06-10 10:45 PM
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7. A third-hand rumor.
The grandson of one of Churchill's bodyguards?
THAT'S the best the flying saucer groupies can muster? :eyes:
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Octafish Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-06-10 11:47 PM
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14. Truman and Ike considered UFOs "Serious Business."
It was, and still is, considered of official concern to the United States.

Most interesting bit of history, We the People have just discovered about our cousins. Who knows what else the records have yet to reveal?



Thank you for the heads-up, Me. Fascinating multiverse, ours.
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thebestsas Donating Member (23 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-06-10 11:53 PM
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15. crop scurlies
crop scurlies are not real :(
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anarch Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-06-10 11:59 PM
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16. I'm pretty sure most of the really good stuff has been destroyed outright
I don't really blame governments for doing this, to be honest...I mean, no more than I blame them for being what they tend to be in the first place. How can you control a populace if they are aware that at the end of the day, you're not really in control, at all?

The most effective long term tool hasn't even been any active covering-up of anything, but the fostering of the popular attitude that UFO buffs (or anyone who gives any serious consideration to the subject, even) are all nutcases.

And people do tend to mis-identify things in the sky, especially at night. And, on top of that, there are all manner of hoaxters adding additional confusion to the mix. And then there are the experimental aircraft, which must account for a pretty good percentage of otherwise unexplained sightings.

But that leaves a certain amount of...well...something else. And I can state pretty confidently that the US military has certainly done its damndest to make sure people stop asking questions in at least one instance.
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MajorChode Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Aug-07-10 04:10 PM
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20. It happens all the time
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anarch Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Aug-07-10 05:21 PM
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21. now that, I think, truly qualifies as a crime against nature
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Octafish Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-08-10 10:33 AM
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23. Richard Dolan brought the subject up in his work ...
For those interested in learning, videos 'n' stuff along the side from Dolan...

http://www.disclose.tv/action/viewvideo/49014/MUFON_2010_UFO_Symposium_July_22nd_24th__2010/

Guy wrote a couple of good books on the subject:

UFOs and the National Security State

What it all means is we don't know everything. In a democracy, though, it's our business to know.
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