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Edited on Sat Aug-07-10 12:17 PM by RandomThoughts
And someone needs to point out how absurd he seems to be getting, but there is so much more to that movie.
In temporal lore apes are not about race, although maybe that film was, I don't think it was. Although reading her article it is amazing to see people thinking in that way, she mentions many people that think like that.
Thinking in racial terms is so limiting, and in that movie it really is hard to fit, except for some groups many decades ago that called some races less evolved, but the movie itself does not have that kind of context in my view. It really seems to be a standard temporal lore story more about ideas of more or less evolved.
Most temporal lore stories speaks as apes as being less evolved, regardless of skin color. However there are some groups that like to attach skin color to that concept for other reasons. To better understand temporal lore, replacing all ape references with less evolved, and not race, makes the stories far more interesting in my view.
Not sure what context he was thinking about it in.
But the film is interesting.
In temporal lore doctrine apes are less evolved. Although there is a huge question in temporal lore about what is evolving, some think it is intelligence without feeling, where smarter people, able to make difficult choices, as they think of it, are the better more evolved. Some think it is compassion people wanting to help many people, where love and kindness with feeling is the evolved part. (note I do not include Vulcan lore as non feeling, since there is moral belief in their logic)
If you take the planet of the apes movies, you see more then race. The main astronaut character was a bit of a nihilist, or did not like people, by his speech when first landing. And other views from the other astronauts were more structured. The women in that example not making it into the future is also interesting.
Although I think the 'ape' world is mostly about the three groups, the ideologues, the compassionate scientist that learned from the humans that could speak, and the waring Gorillas. Although the planet of the apes is set in the future, It seems to be more about a fear of humanity de-evolving by an act of following paths of war, or maybe ideology.
The fourth group in the film are people just living day by day, commoners, without a voice, not heard by the groups that run that society, those controllers of society being the apes.
There are many ways to see that film, but most likely it is a view of society, with a temporal story line. So the author could easily be expressing how he sees society around him, and from that where he sees the future going to.
A place where ideologues that know the truth but lie, Gorillas that only think in terms of control and violence, and then a few scientist that learn from people that have a voice that were discounted as just being slaves, possibly in the authors view the real evolved people, just people living day to day. Not the smartest, and not those you get heard that often.
If you move the time-line from the current and the future, you can think of it as the past and today, where Tailor is not an astronaut from today going to the future, but learning from people from the past. Might be interesting to check the years difference and see if a past culture matches that time spread.
I really think it is more about class, and what people think is important, and an idea of learning from voices from the past. Really seems to make more sense seen that way. And there are many people that think past knowledge has been lost, or is not known by many people.
The doll and the glasses at the end, and an artificial heart value are hugely important in that film in my view. Many correlations in stories about dolls, some bad, but some really good ones also. The glasses would probably be that people could not see or needed help seeing, and the heart valve would be people losing compassion. But anyways, a great movie.
Some of the later movies touched on other topics.
Note I do not believe in temporal lore.
However, I think a better future is a more compassionate future in my view.
It should also be noted that there are many groups that think they are more evolved then other people currently in society. Where they treat some groups of people as worse people because they think they are better by some criteria they use to decide what is better.
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